According to CBS all the nicest tanks are on the brink of death

[Copingwithpods]

Exactly, Increased photo intensity probably triggers a built in reaction to prepare the coral for the heat it knows will follow. As stated above the coral is probably confused by our tanks because the heat never comes.

Gotta keep those little dudes on their toes lol

 

[TerraFerma]

I get all my coral physiology information from CBS.

 

[Copingwithpods]

I get all my coral physiology information from CBS.

I get all my medical advise from web md

 

[Phildago]

It was never about the article. Just a thinly veiled attack on the main stream media and science. It’s a two for one.

I'm a scientist and healthcare professional, I'd never attack science. Period.

The media however has become an antiquated joke of what it once was and now relies on scary opinions to get clicks and sell stories.

Yet we all have access to the scientific publications, and as a community (on this forum) access to actual scientists working with coral....

Never on this forum or anywhere else have I seen an explanation of why corals color up as being "a last ditch effort for survival". It's an adaptive response to specific environmental stressors, yes, but not the stressors that are killing them. In science this would be considered a confounding variable. It's not new news, it's just a way to scare people.

Now I thought it was funny, but in the end articles like this do annoy me because they hurt the people who actually care. People like you and I who have a genuine love for and vested interest in corals take the fall because it provokes moral outrage, and then the laws that will follow. Laws that make no sense because they're made by politicians who know nothing nor care in the slightest about environmental conservation.

 

[Spieg]

It was never about the article. Just a thinly veiled attack on the main stream media and science. It’s a two for one.

If it's not on FOX, it can't be true... LOL

 

[Tuffyyyyy]

I'm a scientist and healthcare professional, I'd never attack science. Period.

The media however has become an antiquated joke of what it once was and now relies on scary opinions to get clicks and sell stories.

Yet we all have access to the scientific publications, and as a community (on this forum) access to actual scientists working with coral....

Never on this forum or anywhere else have I seen an explanation of why corals color up as being "a last ditch effort for survival". It's an adaptive response to specific environmental stressors, yes, but not the stressors that are killing them. In science this would be considered a confounding variable. It's not new news, it's just a way to scare people.

Now I thought it was funny, but in the end articles like this do annoy me because they hurt the people who actually care. People like you and I who have a genuine love for and vested interest in corals take the fall because it provokes moral outrage, and then the laws that will follow. Laws that make no sense because they're made by politicians who know nothing nor care in the slightest about environmental conservation.

Headlines can be click bait, sure, but the media has never been more reliable because it’s never been easier for people to corroborate or disprove The stories themselves. Newspapers 100 years ago were frequently posting bogus stories, and readers just had to believe them. Now we can do the research ourselves on the internet and hop right onto twitter or Facebook and call them out in front of everyone.

 

[Redfoxtang]

Chasing corals is a great documentary! Would highly recommend watching it! It explains a lot.

 

[topjimmy]

Warmer water=less dissolved carbon dioxide=less phyto=less zooplankton= more clarity= more UV penetration = more death rays= more sunscreen

Phyto would grow more with additional CO2. Additional solar radiation makes sense. But I thought the problem was man made?

 

[robbyg]

Never on this forum or anywhere else have I seen an explanation of why corals color up as being "a last ditch effort for survival". It's an adaptive response to specific environmental stressors, yes, but not the stressors that are killing them. In science this would be considered a confounding variable.

How is it a confounding variable?
The corals simple genetic intelligence tells it that an increase in light will be followed by increased heat. There is nothing new about these mechanisms, most simple and even some advanced life forms depend on this genetically passed down knowledge for survival.

 

[Birddog61]

The thing is most of our corals are not that bright it is our lightning that makes them pop

 

[User]

Phyto would grow more with additional CO2. Additional solar radiation makes sense. But I thought the problem was man made?

YEs

that’s why I said LESS CO2=less phyto

warming planet, warming ocean, less dissolved gasses

besides- I totally made that up on the spot since he said he couldn’t see any way it could happen

but that chain I wrote is *technically* feasible- but not very likely

 

[topjimmy]

YEs

that’s why I said LESS CO2=less phyto

warming planet, warming ocean, less dissolved gasses

besides- I totally made that up on the spot since he said he couldn’t see any way it could happen

but that chain I wrote is *technically* feasible- but not very likely

The ocean would absorb more CO2 , that's the whole ”acidification” schtick.

Regardless I didn't mean to pick on you, but I love to poke the AGW bear.

 

[User]

The ocean would absorb more CO2 , that's the whole ”acidification” schtick.

Regardless I didn't mean to pick on you, but I love to poke the AGW bear.

2 different issues- I was responding purely to the your question “how does warmer water lead to more sunscreen?”

In isolation, warmer water means less dissolved gas

but yes, in reality, since humans are pumping a ton of co2 into the atmosphere and the partial pressure of co2 in the atmosphere is higher, it forces more gas dissolution, despite increased temp

what’s an ‘agw’?

mans acidification isn’t a ‘Schtick ’. It’s a proven scientific fact

 

[Difrano]

As a person that lived in the Caribbean for 30+ years snorkeling and diving thousands of times in coral reefs, the real reefs doesn't look nothing like the reef tanks, acroporas, Brain, gorgonias 99% of them, they all look greenish brownish, in my opinion is that in our thanks we are tweaking the light spectrum to promote the production of coloration pigments, plus the same spectrum we use highlight those colors. It's fun when you enter a reef LFS light is always dim and your clothes glow due to the use of excess near UV spectrum, that's not the way you look when you are outside. So if you tune your lights to real sunlight spectrum your corals will look greenish brownish like any other healthy coral in the ocean. When the corals start the neon bleaching is under sunlight you can see the coloration so I consider is totally different case in the reef tanks, not stress related.

 

[topjimmy]

2 different issues- I was responding purely to the your question “how does warmer water lead to more sunscreen?”

In isolation, warmer water means less dissolved gas

but yes, in reality, since humans are pumping a ton of co2 into the atmosphere and the partial pressure of co2 in the atmosphere is higher, it forces more gas dissolution, despite increased temp

what’s an ‘agw’?

mans acidification isn’t a ‘Schtick ’. It’s a proven scientific fact

Anthropogenic global warming. The ocean may become less alkaline, but it's not going acidic any time soon. Most, like 99.7 percent of CO2 is natural. CO2 isn't a polutant,nor a problem. It's affect on warming is limited. Pollution is for sure an issue. China, India, most developing countries pollute with impunity. That is a much larger problem than CO2.

 

[neltel_7]

Warmer water=less dissolved carbon dioxide=less phyto=less zooplankton= more clarity= more UV penetration = more death rays= more sunscreen

This was very well put. Is there an article you got this from? I am writing a research paper and would love to have the link to this information.

 

[Waynerock]

I get all my medical advise from web md

Don’t get me started there. I wanted to double check what I had on my leg was poison ivy And according to them I am dying of cancer and have a few weeks left. Guess I’ll go buy some coral then since I do t have much time left

 

[Dr. Dendrostein]

They aren't unhappy they just adjust to their environment. A coral producing more uv blocking pigments (coloring up) is no different than our skin producing more melanin to protect us from the sun, but you know CBS is CBS. I guess when we tan it's a last ditch effort to avoid death by vacation.

DON'T TAN!!! DON'T DO IT! !!! HAHA

 

[User]

This was very well put. Is there an article you got this from? I am writing a research paper and would love to have the link to this information.

Lol, no- it was a 20 second thought exercise to show that there is a ‘possible’ link between all those factors

I’m a research scientist and thisQT has got me doing mind exercises lest my brain turns to mush

 

[User]

Anthropogenic global warming. The ocean may become less alkaline, but it's not going acidic any time soon. Most, like 99.7 percent of CO2 is natural. CO2 isn't a polutant,nor a problem. It's affect on warming is limited. Pollution is for sure an issue. China, India, most developing countries pollute with impunity. That is a much larger problem than CO2.

Nope nope nope.... not touching that with a 15 foot barge pole with a carbon canister on the end

it’s wrong, but this isn’t the place to address it.