That's what I thought. Tippin Turtles take is a little confusing.A algae scrubber and a refugium is better because you get more biodiversity in your aquarium. Having another thing to dose just makes your tank more likely to fail
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That's what I thought. Tippin Turtles take is a little confusing.A algae scrubber and a refugium is better because you get more biodiversity in your aquarium. Having another thing to dose just makes your tank more likely to fail
I disagree,
Its not promoted as a source of food for your fish. Viable when nutrient levels exceed filtration and maintenance.
Anyone who could keep macroalgae or a refugium in their tank and dosent is just a idiot, more benefits then any other method because it’s completely natural
Anyone who could keep macroalgae or a refugium in their tank and dosent is just a idiot, more benefits then any other method because it’s completely natural
I am saying carbon dosing is better as it serves multiple purposes within the aquarium and is easier to setup and maintain.Are you trying to say Carbon Dosing is beteer than Algae Scrubbers?
And you are completely correct in saying this. However for a lot of people, their style of setting up/maintaining is better supplemented with a method non carbon dosing. Doesnt have to be a refugium or macrosI am saying carbon dosing is better as it serves multiple purposes within the aquarium and is easier to setup and maintain.
I have a refugium and I have a bio pellet reactor. Some who have invested time and money will cling to the advocacy of a refugium's use and will not hear of an relatively older more effective practice.
I'm simply saying carbon dosing is better having used both and it has benefits that macro algae doesn't provide unless your aim is to also feed algae's to your fish.
No one here is calling anyone an idiot. This is a discussion on if macro algae's are the "best" way to reduce nitrates and phosphates. I'm saying there is another way with added benefit and that new reefers assume they need macro algae's in order to do this.plenty of people don’t keep macro or a refugium because with the way their system runs running either doesn’t make sense.
doesn’t make them an “idiot”. Means they have a good understanding of their unique system.
No one here is calling anyone an idiot. This is a discussion on if macro algae's are the "best" way to reduce nitrates and phosphates. I'm saying there is another way with added benefit and that new reefers assume they need macro algae's in order to do this.
I don't believe refugium's are accessible to everyone, especially those with nano aquariums.
I also think they are a band aide for some poorly maintained aquaria or those aquariums lacking effective filtration, like it or not.
misdirected... my apologiesread the quote I was replying to please
misdirected... my apologies
No argument that it's not natural. I just think it's being pushed by the "industry" and believe you're getting more benefit from carbon dosing more so than macro algae's.To me it seems like an Algae Scrubber would be the most natural way to handle Nitrates and Phosphates because it closely resembles how the nitrogen cycle is completed in nature. If I get a scrubber I would also feed that Algae to my fish.
Refugiums are also a good way to export nutrients, but personally I don't think I'll have one. To me it seems that a refugium can shorten the life span of equipment in your sump with excess growth of Algae in places you don't want it.
Carbon dosing seems great but also seems like it could go horribly wrong. It's also one more thing I would have to add to make tank that's not occurring naturally.
Carbon dosing utilizing bio pellets has certainly been a "win" for me as I have never had a more successful reef tank than I do now. Part of that success has been nutrient control. I don't have a sand bed or a refugium that collects and harbors detritus. My system I suppose would be considered "ultra clean" by most. I have a 45 gallon refugium that contains two Marine Pure 8x8 ceramic bio blocks and serves as additional tank volume only on my system. I anticipated using chaeto for nutrient control but the need has never presented itself and have found that bio pellets when used in a reactor at the amount appropriate for tank volume is all that is required. Plus I get the added benefit that my corals have bacteria loaded with nitrates and phosphates that can be easily consumed promoting coral growth and health.I agree that once you start dosing to get macro growing something is a miss. I agree the industry really pushes a lot of useless stuff, algae reactors (scrubbers are legit even if overpriced) and pellet reactors among them.
I do think a refugium on a new tank is fine. I had chaeto going a month into my new setup and credit it with really holding back algae blooms but since this isn't my first rodeo I could see things starting and ramp lighting schedule up, a newb might not do that.
I think a refugium with chaeto is a solid fairly low maintenance easy entry point into nutrient control and export. Carbon dosing I've always thought of as more advanced and something really just done on sps heavy systems. Back in the day, pre awesome led grow lights, I feel like it was common to see people bottom out nutrients with vodka dosing much like what happens more frequently now with a refugium.
What do I know though? I'm ramping up a mixes reef with no skimmer. Certainly don't want to trust my opinion.
I did not say that coral feed upon bacteria exclusively. I said that bacteria provide corals with phosphate by consuming the bacteria. This is documented in scientific research under the subject of coral nutrition and metabolic processes essential to coral life. Using bio pellets in the amount appropriate for tank volume is absolutely a safe practice, requires very little effort from the hobbyist, and is simple to maintain; and yes, I would highly recommend this approach to any new hobbyist.You seem to be under the assumption that coral exclusively feed on this bacteria you're growing in a reactor and nothing else. Can you back this up?
Can you show they aren't eating the pods/bacteria that grow in a refugium?
I've used both extensively and use neither currently. Carbon dosing works well but can absolutely go wrong quickly. I disagree with preaching it to beginners.
It shouldn't be. Advocating for bio pellets vs macro algae'sThat's what I thought. Tippin Turtles take is a little confusing.