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Honest question.

Why must one keep Acros to be considered a successful reef keeper? In the 80s mostly what I saw displayed were invert tanks where corals were all softies filled with shrimp and nudibranches (apparently most clueless to diet as they came and went) and fish. Seemed every tank had shrooms although no wort that I could remember. My 80s tank was one very large purple tip anemone and just never got around to fully transitioning because was told need Halide or VHO. Oddly that anemone survived just fine with off the shelf fluorescent and don't recall if I bothered making one 03 actinic which I was also told I needed. Tank was undergravel filtered with zero water changes. I was obviously clueless to ways of the reef but being in college and chasing college girls meant little money or time for being correct. Inadvertently, might have stumbled onto DLI because that tank stayed lit from time I left for school (8am) until time I returned from work or play (9:30pm to who knows when :) ).

My failure came about by two things. Fed that anemone one large grocery bought fresh shrimp that it spit out and then his guts. No idea what that was but in the trash it went. For all I know it might have survived but no R2R to post and likely off to school or work or play I went. Priorities.

Second failure was moving out and going reptiles where that 55 became a new home. Big hit with the girls. That anemone however never was :downcast-face-with-sweat: Damsels however :cool:

Was I ever a reefer or just some fool with water and pretty fish and for the longest time one very successful anemone that grew until it pooped itself out :thinking-face:
 

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Honest question.

Why must one keep Acros to be considered a successful reef keeper? In the 80s mostly what I saw displayed were invert tanks where corals were all softies filled with shrimp and nudibranches (apparently most clueless to diet as they came and went) and fish. Seemed every tank had shrooms although no wort that I could remember. My 80s tank was one very large purple tip anemone and just never got around to fully transitioning because was told need Halide or VHO. Oddly that anemone survived just fine with off the shelf fluorescent and don't recall if I bothered making one 03 actinic which I was also told I needed. Tank was undergravel filtered with zero water changes. I was obviously clueless to ways of the reef but being in college and chasing college girls meant little money or time for being correct. Inadvertently, might have stumbled onto DLI because that tank stayed lit from time I left for school (8am) until time I returned from work or play (9:30pm to who knows when :) ).

My failure came about by two things. Fed that anemone one large grocery bought fresh shrimp that it spit out and then his guts. No idea what that was but in the trash it went. For all I know it might have survived but no R2R to post and likely off to school or work or play I went. Priorities.

Second failure was moving out and going reptiles where that 55 became a new home. Big hit with the girls. That anemone however never was :downcast-face-with-sweat: Damsels however :cool:

Was I ever a reefer or just some fool with water and pretty fish and for the longest time one very successful anemone that grew until it pooped itself out :thinking-face:
im with u, acros should not be for a successful reefer
im a mediocre reefer, the definition of what not to do, and im keeping tenuis alive, but tbh, its easy af, keep up with 2 week water changed(to let the params deplete in my 10 gal) and yeah, thats really all :D
but sorry for your failures, I feel the exact same way, im over here asking the same questions XD
 

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Once a reefer, always a reefer, not defined by what type of corals we keep. I’be had my fair share of failures but that’s part of this hobby right? Learn, experiment, improve.

SPS is super easy to keep ime — just need time. I’ve struggled in the past but once my tank hit the 1yr mark or saw explosive coralline algae growth, SPS grew like weed. Color could have been better but that’s just my high nutrients.
 
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Then who knows. My main might be nothing more than shrooms and CUC and I'll still win tank of the month. Shroom may or may not have warts. Plus lets not forget the damsels. Literally plop and drop and off you go...
 

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I’ve often wondered when something becomes a “reef” tank? Do you need to have corals? Or would other common reef invertebrates suffice? Anemones, cucumbers, urchins, etc?

Conversely, is keeping corals all that is required? If you have corals and nothing else, does that alone make it a “reef” tank?

Given that the next step down is usually presented as FOWLR, the “reef” distinction gets hard to mark.

I guess in my heart I wouldn’t call a tank a reef without corals and other life, but I don’t know where the exact line would be. I feel like the word suggests a diverse ecosystem but I can’t define it. Curious what other people think.
 

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To answer your question “ wall to wall sps show stopper”
Its a status symbol to have the highest end/highest value sps frags for trading
No longer are wall of rock style tanks in vogue, instead you heed a “ gravity defying” Jupiter moonscape with purple and orange acros to reach the pinnacle of status in the reefing community

My advice to be the king of the reefing world: Do a youtube vid, make sure you drop all the current buzzwords, copied. And cut n pasted from 1000 other vids
“Stability is key”
Light your tank deep blue for “coral pop”
Keep you heater set to 78F
Your sand must be pristine sparkly and white
Make sure not a single bubble algae is visble
Lie to your audience that the tank looks this way 24/7/365
Come back in here in a panic and ask for psuedo advice about how can I keep my nitrates and phosphates up because my acros are overgrowing
Maybe eventually you will know you have arrived when you get invited to one of the shows to speak and have that Hollywood style backdrop with Ecotech Marine printed 100 times behind you and a podium LOL
 
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I’ve often wondered when something becomes a “reef” tank? Do you need to have corals? Or would other common reef invertebrates suffice? Anemones, cucumbers, urchins, etc?

Conversely, is keeping corals all that is required? If you have corals and nothing else, does that alone make it a “reef” tank?

Given that the next step down is usually presented as FOWLR, the “reef” distinction gets hard to mark.

I guess in my heart I wouldn’t call a tank a reef without corals and other life, but I don’t know where the exact line would be. I feel like the word suggests a diverse ecosystem but I can’t define it. Curious what other people think.
Perfect point and in the 80s some of those reef displays were excluding corals. Just live rock and other inverts such as shrimps, hermits and those monster turbo snails which were super cheap. Plus fish.

Seemed live rock was the starting point and that 80s tank was scheduled to get some as I scraped up the cash for a box appropriately sized. Losing that anemone however stopped that as I now believed my tank wasn't yet mature enough because some LFS obviously more clued then self told me it wasn't plus I then decided to move so perhaps for the best
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To answer your question “ wall to wall sps show stopper”
Its a status symbol to have the highest end/highest value sps frags for trading
No longer are wall of rock style tanks in vogue, instead you heed a “ gravity defying” Jupiter moonscape with purple and orange acros to reach the pinnacle of status in the reefing community

My advice to be the king of the reefing world: Do a youtube vid, make sure you drop all the current buzzwords, copied. And cut n pasted from 1000 other vids
“Stability is key”
Light your tank deep blue for “coral pop”
Keep you heater set to 78F
Your sand must be pristine sparkly and white
Make sure not a single bubble algae is visble
Lie to your audience that the tank looks this way 24/7/365
Come back in here in a panic and ask for psuedo advice about how can I keep my nitrates and phosphates up because my acros are overgrowing
Maybe eventually you will know you have arrived when you get invited to one of the shows to speak and have that Hollywood style backdrop with Ecotech Marine printed 100 times behind you and a podium LOL
Funny story. No matter how long that tank stayed lit no algae grew. Why I never got a CUC :rolling-on-the-floor-laughing:
 

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Who says that? A “Successful Reef Keeper” to me is someone who can grow healthy coral, fish, and inverts on purpose. Which species doesn’t matter. Some coral snobs want to think they’re special, but they know they have their weaknesses too, everyone does. So I say, do what you like, and strive to be successful at whatever you choose. :)
 

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I’ve often wondered when something becomes a “reef” tank? Do you need to have corals? Or would other common reef invertebrates suffice? Anemones, cucumbers, urchins, etc?

Conversely, is keeping corals all that is required? If you have corals and nothing else, does that alone make it a “reef” tank?

Given that the next step down is usually presented as FOWLR, the “reef” distinction gets hard to mark.

I guess in my heart I wouldn’t call a tank a reef without corals and other life, but I don’t know where the exact line would be. I feel like the word suggests a diverse ecosystem but I can’t define it. Curious what other people think.
Line??? What line? I’ve kept a tank for over 60 years. Sometimes with a few corals but mostly fish, inverts and other critters that would normally live in an ocean. I’m still a reefer! Remember, not all living creatures that live in the ocean are corals!
 

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Ha, ha. Good post. I can definitely relate - youth, back in the day, back in the beginning, with the set up, none of the fancy $$$ gear, the under gravel filter (man! that worked great - until I had to clean it out - never again), whatever spontaneously erupted from the raw live rock after it cured (a lot!), and (naively chosen) fish. It took me a very long time to stick my toe in the water and try "real" corals. Gee, it wasn't so hard after all. Even with my still low-tech set up.
 

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How many of us have other reefers coming to our home? We look to social media and go awww! But we are looking at a snap shot of one moment in time that really isn't truly reality. Lights adjusted, filter on camera then off to photo shop. It's my hammers, frogs and other LPS including softies that get my none reefing visitors in awww. And to be honest it's what makes me happy. I have acro's but I'm kinda over them. If you have a Salt Water tank that looks like a real piece of the ocean, whether it a FOWLER, a macro algae only, a few coral to a tank full, your a reefer. If it makes you able to check out for awhile and forget your stress and life issues you're a reefer. If you have a tank full of negative space and tons of acro only in a tank that in no way looks natural, your a reefer. In other words we are all reefers if we keep salt water.

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Line??? What line? I’ve kept a tank for over 60 years. Sometimes with a few corals but mostly fish, inverts and other critters that would normally live in an ocean. I’m still a reefer! Remember, not all living creatures that live in the ocean are corals!
Sixty years? Hats off. You were a pioneer.
 

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Sixty years? Hats off. You were a pioneer.
No kidding! Dang. My first SW tank was in 1991. A 29g with an undergravel filter as well as an HOB. And yes, I had the pretty blue and green pebbles for sand!!! Inverts and fish only. I tell ya, there wasn't much back in those days!
 

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Sixty years ago (OK, maybe 59) I squeezed two large spider crabs I caught at the beach into a 20g aquarium. The next morning there were three! I couldn't understand how the baby could be bigger than either of the two I brought home until I realized one had molted. The soft shell was pretty testy and intimidating, so back to the beach they went. That's the closest I got to a saltwater tank for another 30 years.
 

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How many of us have other reefers coming to our home? We look to social media and go awww! But we are looking at a snap shot of one moment in time that really isn't truly reality. Lights adjusted, filter on camera then off to photo shop. It's my hammers, frogs and other LPS including softies that get my none reefing visitors in awww. And to be honest it's what makes me happy. I have acro's but I'm kinda over them. If you have a Salt Water tank that looks like a real piece of the ocean, whether it a FOWLER, a macro algae only, a few coral to a tank full, your a reefer. If it makes you able to check out for awhile and forget your stress and life issues you're a reefer. If you have a tank full of negative space and tons of acro only in a tank that in no way looks natural, your a reefer. In other words we are all reefers if we keep salt water.

My 2 pennies
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Sixty years ago (OK, maybe 59) I squeezed two large spider crabs I caught at the beach into a 20g aquarium. The next morning there were three! I couldn't understand how the baby could be bigger than either of the two I brought home until I realized one had molted. The soft shell was pretty testy and intimidating, so back to the beach they went. That's the closest I got to a saltwater tank for another 30 years.
It was a DUH! moment, wasn't it! I LOVE those moments where my IQ lowers to a point where I miss the blatantly obvious!!!! And my losses of IQ points are, for the most part, natural! Not environmental!!! ....Such as watching just ONE episode of General Hospital......
 
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