The reason you think your reef tank can’t control its ammonia is due to false training from old cycling science. That and you don’t own a seneye on the tank in question: if you did, you wouldn’t ever think your ammonia was out of control
See what a seneye shows? Quick ammonia resolve
nothing stuck
ask your local veterinarian: can dogs or cats be symptomless while having no liver function, allowing a systemic buildup of toxic free ammonia while still running, climbing, eating, behaving normally day to day?
so why do reef peers always teach each other that sensitive marine organisms all swimming and acting fine are symptomless for weeks on end in a tank claimed to not have full control over free ammonia?
Because they're not seneye owners is why
believing old, dated and false cycling biology posts and articles is the second cause for all these false ammonia alert posts we worked below.
read on to see the patterns in play and how cycle umpires universally accept any stated ammonia measure without challenge: bacteria are always stated to be at a loss or nonfunctioning; it's never the case.
Cycle umpires are implying they’ve actually seen a broken display reef cycle: they haven’t. there aren’t any examples, anyone running seneye knows a cycle remains if water remains in the tank.
doubt in bacteria means you’ll click buy for replacement bacteria, forum peers are the source of 99% of the false cycling information we see ruling this hobby.
there is only ONE time you will ever see an ammonia problem in a display reef tank: when disease or hardware error kills multiple fish and you leave them in the tank to rot out for one reason or another. That’s it, there aren’t any other causes you’ll ever see someone posting about that will make a cycled tank unable to control its ammonia. perhaps a six pound ten year old anemone the size of a super large pizza left to rot in a 40 breeder might do it, but we’re talking extremes so extreme you won’t need a $9 test kit to discern the problem-you would remove the dead anemone.
Every reef tank featured here is symptomless other than a bad api test read, or red sea
Every false panic post on this thread is a non digital ammonia test kit, in a perfectly running reef tank that you can click and read it's entire history before they were collected here. All these threads collected have the same pattern: being taught that non digital test kits are infallible and that our resident aquatic bacteria somehow just stop working for some folks---have you ever, ever, ever seen a cycling chart where the ammonia line rises back up after day ten?
The first example thread to read in full is this one: api fail ammonia causing distress, fully cycled reef of very low bioload and pounds of coralline covered live rock that would never permit an ammonia spike sustained, not ever.
if you've read that first thread in full as recommended, you can now see how every post collected here is the exact same. panic induced by a non digital test kit. **even after nh3 conversion rules (see below) that reading above is false, that's too dark to be accurate. there's nothing wrong with his reef at all, and we discerned in the post he didn't use prime or other test adulterants, its a misread. his very slight overfill of the mark 5 mls does not change the sample darker, its a misread any way you slice it.
read that whole thread.
not owning a seneye is the main reason you think your ammonia isn’t controlled, none of our work examples are seneye owners; that should stand out to you…which tests caused the unfounded fear for every example we have here?
Even though we are months and years past cycling in following examples, the entrants are claiming their reefs didn’t follow the ammonia drop line at day ten from a cycling chart (theirs rose, and stuck at .2, the test kit from petsmart says so)
these are all cycle issues below. New cycling science knows they're reacting to false readings, old cycling science knows they’ll click buy anyway, just to be sure, even after we proof out things are fine.
notice this trend coming here: nobody on seneye ammonia testing is part of the alert mode. api and Red Sea ammonia, non digital test kits, constitute all our panic examples.
this is the basis of nearly all ammonia troubleshooting in reefing forums. we are trained to first accept any stated ammonia level as fact, and then look for ways the bacteria have died or been shorted.
Read the entire flow of this post, its an ideal outcome for a sustained ammonia alert post.
**most reefers have dosed water conditioners like Prime, this can cause false ammonia readings in some tests***
we never know what adulterants are in someone’s test water, they don’t think to mention it many times in cycle help posts.
many of our posts here will be that kind of false alarm and the open corals and clean water will show control of ammonia, not lack of control.
read this post, a real ammonia crash, see the cause, see what the tank looks like in pics
After having read both those initial links, on all future links as yourself this:
why do the tank pictures look so normal, every time, what's going on in pattern with reported ammonia noncontrol events>?
This thread will track example posts showing that no reef tanks have ghost sustained ammonia spikes even if our entry level test kits claim they do.
hallmark details in every post example coming: only a test kit causes alarm no other factors. No fish issues, bad smelling water, clouding, closed up tight animals, this thread will be solely misreads from test kits causing sheer madness. uncontrolled free ammonia kills your whole reef fast, it doesn’t pick off animals one by one over weeks time. That’s disease.
Here is Randy commenting on the nature of Free vs Total Ammonia in the reef tank. *When you use red sea or API ammonia, a step is required in conversion to get the nh3 levels, that's what we care about here. read Randy's description below, and see your test kit instructions for the conversion
********just about every example link we see will be someone reacting to nh4, which we expect to look elevated, vs nh3 which is over ten times less at our average pH and temp based on charts in the chemistry forum.
I predict nobody here truly had sustained ammonia and if you did, the title of your thread is about a crash, a tank wiped, not a test reading.
as of 2/26/24 a nice quick troubleshoot via tank picture and tank stated history (time running) was completed:
Adding Ammonia to Established Tank for Nitrate Control
Hey guys. I am struggling to keep my nitrate levels up on a newly established tank. What are your thoughts on dosing low amounts of Ammonia to feed corals and produce Nitrate? Aiming for around 10ppm Nitrate but stuck around 0-3ppm. Was planning on diluting my ammonia down to 1% and dosing 4x a...
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See what a seneye shows? Quick ammonia resolve
nothing stuck
ask your local veterinarian: can dogs or cats be symptomless while having no liver function, allowing a systemic buildup of toxic free ammonia while still running, climbing, eating, behaving normally day to day?
so why do reef peers always teach each other that sensitive marine organisms all swimming and acting fine are symptomless for weeks on end in a tank claimed to not have full control over free ammonia?
Because they're not seneye owners is why
believing old, dated and false cycling biology posts and articles is the second cause for all these false ammonia alert posts we worked below.
read on to see the patterns in play and how cycle umpires universally accept any stated ammonia measure without challenge: bacteria are always stated to be at a loss or nonfunctioning; it's never the case.
Cycle umpires are implying they’ve actually seen a broken display reef cycle: they haven’t. there aren’t any examples, anyone running seneye knows a cycle remains if water remains in the tank.
doubt in bacteria means you’ll click buy for replacement bacteria, forum peers are the source of 99% of the false cycling information we see ruling this hobby.
there is only ONE time you will ever see an ammonia problem in a display reef tank: when disease or hardware error kills multiple fish and you leave them in the tank to rot out for one reason or another. That’s it, there aren’t any other causes you’ll ever see someone posting about that will make a cycled tank unable to control its ammonia. perhaps a six pound ten year old anemone the size of a super large pizza left to rot in a 40 breeder might do it, but we’re talking extremes so extreme you won’t need a $9 test kit to discern the problem-you would remove the dead anemone.
Every reef tank featured here is symptomless other than a bad api test read, or red sea
Every false panic post on this thread is a non digital ammonia test kit, in a perfectly running reef tank that you can click and read it's entire history before they were collected here. All these threads collected have the same pattern: being taught that non digital test kits are infallible and that our resident aquatic bacteria somehow just stop working for some folks---have you ever, ever, ever seen a cycling chart where the ammonia line rises back up after day ten?
The first example thread to read in full is this one: api fail ammonia causing distress, fully cycled reef of very low bioload and pounds of coralline covered live rock that would never permit an ammonia spike sustained, not ever.
Warter Parameters help
Just wanted to see what's everyone's opinion is on how these look????
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if you've read that first thread in full as recommended, you can now see how every post collected here is the exact same. panic induced by a non digital test kit. **even after nh3 conversion rules (see below) that reading above is false, that's too dark to be accurate. there's nothing wrong with his reef at all, and we discerned in the post he didn't use prime or other test adulterants, its a misread. his very slight overfill of the mark 5 mls does not change the sample darker, its a misread any way you slice it.
New Cycle - Seneye vs API
Hello All, Have just started to cycle a new DD ReefPro 900. Am using Fritzzyme Fishless food and Turbo Start and am 2 days in. I have dosed twice with Fishless food on the back of the seneye readings which are as follows: But the API result seems to be showing a different story. I`ve seen a...
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read that whole thread.
not owning a seneye is the main reason you think your ammonia isn’t controlled, none of our work examples are seneye owners; that should stand out to you…which tests caused the unfounded fear for every example we have here?
Even though we are months and years past cycling in following examples, the entrants are claiming their reefs didn’t follow the ammonia drop line at day ten from a cycling chart (theirs rose, and stuck at .2, the test kit from petsmart says so)
these are all cycle issues below. New cycling science knows they're reacting to false readings, old cycling science knows they’ll click buy anyway, just to be sure, even after we proof out things are fine.
notice this trend coming here: nobody on seneye ammonia testing is part of the alert mode. api and Red Sea ammonia, non digital test kits, constitute all our panic examples.
this is the basis of nearly all ammonia troubleshooting in reefing forums. we are trained to first accept any stated ammonia level as fact, and then look for ways the bacteria have died or been shorted.
Read the entire flow of this post, its an ideal outcome for a sustained ammonia alert post.
Ammonia keeps climbing?
Since yesterday, my ammonia has started to climb. Fish seem to be happy, but I'm concerned. I figured it was due to my feeding some oysters and shrimp and left over food, so I added a couple old school powerheads shooting straight down the sides of my reef to flush out any detritus. It did...
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**most reefers have dosed water conditioners like Prime, this can cause false ammonia readings in some tests***
we never know what adulterants are in someone’s test water, they don’t think to mention it many times in cycle help posts.
many of our posts here will be that kind of false alarm and the open corals and clean water will show control of ammonia, not lack of control.
read this post, a real ammonia crash, see the cause, see what the tank looks like in pics
EMERGENCY - Tank REcyling
So I went away for the weekend only to return to a cloudy tank, come to find out a fish had died while I was gone, when I got back my water was cloudy and my ammonia was sky high, my corals were all closed up and some have melted, I have been dosing bacteria and am guard every day and doing 10...
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After having read both those initial links, on all future links as yourself this:
why do the tank pictures look so normal, every time, what's going on in pattern with reported ammonia noncontrol events>?
This thread will track example posts showing that no reef tanks have ghost sustained ammonia spikes even if our entry level test kits claim they do.
hallmark details in every post example coming: only a test kit causes alarm no other factors. No fish issues, bad smelling water, clouding, closed up tight animals, this thread will be solely misreads from test kits causing sheer madness. uncontrolled free ammonia kills your whole reef fast, it doesn’t pick off animals one by one over weeks time. That’s disease.
Here is Randy commenting on the nature of Free vs Total Ammonia in the reef tank. *When you use red sea or API ammonia, a step is required in conversion to get the nh3 levels, that's what we care about here. read Randy's description below, and see your test kit instructions for the conversion
What is NH4? Proper levels for reef tank and how to maintain those levels?
Can't find much on it other than on seneye website is that its not toxic. And have seen my levels all the way up to 16ppb and now in new system around 9ppb. What is it?
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********just about every example link we see will be someone reacting to nh4, which we expect to look elevated, vs nh3 which is over ten times less at our average pH and temp based on charts in the chemistry forum.
I predict nobody here truly had sustained ammonia and if you did, the title of your thread is about a crash, a tank wiped, not a test reading.
as of 2/26/24 a nice quick troubleshoot via tank picture and tank stated history (time running) was completed:
Ammonia in Red Sea Coral Pro? & ammonia issue in established tank.
I had an issue with a reef tank, and was chasing down the cause of high ammonia, when during the process of testing everything, I checked a fresh sample of RO mixed with CP in a glass container. I was surprised to see that the reading on the Hanna was 0.1 To follow that up, I tested both the...
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