Are you getting advice from AI on Reefing questions?

[civber]

Sometimes yes, but these are common pieces of information found on the internet, so nothing new will be discovered. However, if you need quick info, AI may help.

 

[BeanAnimal]

Consider that the LLMs other than ingesting their own bad information and amplifying it, are already and will, with increasing or normality, be subjected to malicious injection of biased information (marketing, political, nefarious, mischievous , etc,) that will also be spit out, amplified and re-ingested…

You think misinformation is hard to put back in the bottle now… just wait.

Skynet is coming….

 

[Lasse]

An AI can only collect and put together things that is already written or believed by a major of the written things. If an AI had exist in the 80:ties - we still had believed that a tank full of hairy algae was a good and thriving tank. If I had put the question in the 80:tie about putting in vodka in a tank benefit it - I´m sure that I got a no. An AI can also only base its answers on knowledge that is available for it. Knowledge behind firewalls and paywalls is not accessible to them. IMO - AI is only putting together knowledge and thoughts already done and that´s in the open. If someone will hide knowledge behind a firewall and only put things that support them on the outside - you know what the chat boot will report to you. Its only report knowledge that was present exactly when it was picked up and how old the knowledge is - you do not know. You not either know if it based on the original language or a translation.

There is a discussion going on about acceptable phosphorus levels right now - I wonder what a chat bot will report for acceptable levels today and a few weeks from now?

IMO - AI is conservative in nature - it will always recommend status quo

You think misinformation is hard to put back in the bottle now… just wait.

The best I have heard from you ever and I use a BeanAnimal outlet

AI - its a endless and huge work thread

Sincerely Lasse

 

[brandon429]

False again Lasse

A work thread is this, where you step in and begin actually helping, based on priors:

Ai doesn't work on actual reefs, teachers who only type don't either

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Struggling with diatoms in a mature tank on the sand, Have had this on and off for years… Using a full rodi system and still getting 4 before the di and 0 after. What can I do to eliminate this for good??

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Notice where the work is: we're not consulting anyone's reef article and results are expected.







Thank you for always cheering from the sidelines, it helps.

 

[BeanAnimal]

False again Lasse

A work thread is this, where you step in and begin actually helping, based on priors:

Ai doesn't work on actual reefs, you know how that goes

Let’s be honest, Brandon—you don’t actually work on reefs either.

You post your opinions to a forum and call it "work" without ever getting your hands wet or dealing with the consequences of your own words and advice. You present your opinion as fact simply by labeling it "work," but that doesn’t make it credible or more relevant than any other post here. It has always been a self-promoting and ridiculous premise, but lately, it’s reached a fever pitch.

Come back to reality, Brandon. At this point, AI is more relevant and trusted than what you’re pushing—and it does it without the constant insults.

Notice where the work is: we're not consulting anyone's reef article and jeering from the stands, off to the side of the game, is the noise we press through

*Lasses mention of 'work thread' is carry over beef from a prior thread. Just happened we started a real one today, take notes bro.

Does the rising din of "jeering," as you call it, not tell you something? You invite these responses -- "beef," as you call it -- by refusing to treat your peers with respect, relentlessly and openly impugning their advice, integrity, and goodwill as not backed by "work". You do this from a glass house you’ve mistaken for an ivory tower. It’s why so many here find your rhetoric exhausting.

 

[KrisReef]

Too my knowledge, neither @brandon429 nor @BeanAnimal are AI generated content. Let's argue that in another thread and not get this one shut down?

AI is murder!

 

[BeanAnimal]

r @BeanAnimal are AI generated content.

Maybe I am and was just trained to pass Voight -Kampff tests easily.

 

[gbroadbridge]

work". You do this from a glass house you’ve mistaken for an ivory tower. It’s why so many here find your rhetoric exhausting.

alt.flame returns. So very 1980's

 

[TacticalBacon]

Do you not think AI is merely as good as a search engine? If you don't type exactly what you need to search, you will get mis-matched advice compared to what you were searching for. The google results (for me) - often leave out chunks of the article that are directly Germaine to what I was searching.

I think it is a good search engine. I negotiate contracts with terms and conditions, so short of inserting the entire agreement, uploading the applicable regulation, and then asking the question, in such a way it doesn't incorrectly state a pertinent fact, it isn't much help. The other issue is agencies, companies, and even niche industries have developed their own colloquial terminology and if you use it, you will sometimes get an answer that is wildly incorrect.

If/when AI learns context and has innate situational awareness, it will certainly be replacing a lot of what humans can do, until then, I am lucky to have a job.

I think of aquariums much like what I do, each opportunity is unique in and of itself, and a one size fits all approach rarely if ever, works. However, having access to the pertinent information and using it for research is probably a bit better than just a web search.

The AI sometimes answers the question incorrectly but often has a reference to an appropriate link that is useful.

I do see your point and agree, in some instances, it is much better than a simple (if searching millions of websites is simple) internet search.

I still have paper copies of certain regulations and documents that I prefer but am trying to assimilate to the online world we now live.

 

[MnFish1]

No, at this point I do not believe it is as good or as useful as a search engine.

A Google search will simply list web pages for you to go to, and leave up to you to decide whether the information is current, accurate or the person behind the page is trustworthy. In an analog world it’s like a library, the card catalogue lists all the books on a given subject, you pick your poison.

AI gives you the data presented as fact without, that Ive seen so far, a listing of where it’s pulled that data. Kind of like Wikipedia without sources.

Often a search result will give you a page that contains not just the information you seek, but a lot of supporting information and sometimes conflicting data, and if you desire, you can learn more than you thought you needed to.

Or not…but that is up to you. AI just gives what it believes is the answer to your question and moves on. Whether it is factual or not you have to investigate further, and then you are going outside it anyway so don’t see it as anything more than a waste of time.

I do see great potential, especially if coupled with “personal assistants” like Siri, and if we can get them to learn us individually and how to only get good data as a source? What a resource that would be.

We’re not there yet.

That was my point (i.e. I agree with you) - at best AI is as good as a search engine - unless one knows exactly what to ask it to do/search for - it could be worse.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

I think it is a good search engine. I negotiate contracts with terms and conditions, so short of inserting the entire agreement, uploading the applicable regulation, and then asking the question, in such a way it doesn't incorrectly state a pertinent fact, it isn't much help. The other issue is agencies, companies, and even niche industries have developed their own colloquial terminology and if you use it, you will sometimes get an answer that is wildly incorrect.

If/when AI learns context and has innate situational awareness, it will certainly be replacing a lot of what humans can do, until then, I am lucky to have a job.

I think of aquariums much like what I do, each opportunity is unique in and of itself, and a one size fits all approach rarely if ever, works. However, having access to the pertinent information and using it for research is probably a bit better than just a web search.

The AI sometimes answers the question incorrectly but often has a reference to an appropriate link that is useful.

I do see your point and agree, in some instances, it is much better than a simple (if searching millions of websites is simple) internet search.

I still have paper copies of certain regulations and documents that I prefer but am trying to assimilate to the online world we now live.

In a field of interest that is not flooded with conflicting opinions and false information, it likely is much better than reef aquariums.

I’ve used the search ai to track down import tariff codes for complicated polymer materials and it worked way faster than trying to read all the needed documents myself. Still took multiple questions with an iterative approach to narrow things down, but there are not likely a lot of documents out there with false tariff codes. lol

 

[TacticalBacon]

In a field of interest that is not flooded with conflicting opinions and false information, it likely is much better than reef aquariums.

I’ve used the search ai to track down import tariff codes for complicated polymer materials and it worked way faster than trying to read all the needed documents myself. Still took multiple questions with an iterative approach to narrow things down, but there are not likely a lot of documents out there with false tariff codes. lol

We’ve actually purchased a private subscription to AI where we can load confidential information.

It is working better and we are “training” the AI.

I have to admit I completely forgot, had to write a simple policy for Org Conflict and the bones AI gave me took a week long effort (not straight work but desire and rewriting) and made it a 1 day job to get a draft for review.

 

[Opus]

OMG why all of a sudden is everything about AI? And who coined the term "AI"? Everyone talks about it and uses it in conversation like it's something new. It isn't and it's really annoying.

So true, just like I said in my earlier post. It has been around since the 60s. It is just the current "it" marketing term. Just like "the cloud" used to be the in term to use. We are not doing anything different at my work but now everything has the word "AI" thrown into it.

 

[BeanAnimal]

So true, just like I said in my earlier post. It has been around since the 60s. It is just the current "it" marketing term. Just like "the cloud" used to be the in term to use. We are not doing anything different at my work but now everything has the word "AI" thrown into it.

Huh?

I am sorry but that is an extremely broad statement, no different than saying “wow I just don’t get all of the hype about the F35 Raptor or stealth aircraft, airplanes have been around since 1903, and Leandro de Vinci invented helicopters in 1480”

The current LLMs may have roots in 1960s concepts, but the size and complexity of the models have nothing in common and have only recently become as powerful as they are, let alone consumable outside of a lab environment or dedicated framework.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

In developing todays reef chemistry question of the day, I used the Google search ai for help. It failed catastrophically on a super simple question. Note the math mistake in the red text. Right equation, and incredibly, the wrong answer.

prompt:

"liters in a 12 ft x 12 ft x 8 ft room?"

Response:


A 12 ft x 12 ft x 8 ft room contains approximately 3,686 liters.

Explanation:

• Calculate cubic feet:
  First, multiply the length, width, and height of the room to find the volume in cubic feet: 12 ft x 12 ft x 8 ft = 1,152 cubic feet.
• Convert to liters:
  Since 1 cubic foot is roughly equal to 28.317 liters, multiply the cubic feet by this conversion factor: 1,152 cubic feet x 28.317 liters/cubic foot = 3,686 liters.
  

Key point: To calculate the volume of a room in liters, multiply the length, width, and height in feet, then convert to liters using the conversion factor 28.317 liters per cubic foot.

 

[drewzaun]

Since my wife is complaining about the whining noise coming from my gyre, I just googled “how to silence a gyre”. The regular search gave me lots of hits on what I was looking for. The AI answer was talking about metaphors and ocean currents lol.

 

[gbroadbridge]

Since my wife is complaining about the whining noise coming from my gyre, I just googled “how to silence a gyre”. The regular search gave me lots of hits on what I was looking for. The AI answer was talking about metaphors and ocean currents lol.

The alternate solution would be to replace the wife with an AI.

 

[Luminous74]

I use AI both at work and in my personal hobbies. It can be really helpful and often makes me more efficient. Sometimes it can also be misleading, and it's just fun to experiment with. Like everything nowadays, it’s becoming harder to distinguish facts from opinions and misinformation.

At work, AI helps me correct and translate texts. This speeds things up, but I still need to check that nothing has been misrepresented.

In reefkeeping, AI gives me new ideas and helps me look at things from a different perspective. However, I never blindly trust what AI says. This is a general issue in the hobby— the internet is full of myths and half-truths. For the average person like me, it can be difficult to separate real facts from misleading information.

One really cool project I did with AI was writing an Arduino code to build an LED controller that simulates the moon phases of Kusu Island—including moonrise, moonset, and light intensity. I don’t know how to program and have little knowledge of electronics, but with the help of AI, I managed to get it working. Anyone who thinks it worked on the first try would be wrong. It took hundreds of corrections. I had to keep testing, figuring out what wasn’t working, and explaining the issues to AI. In the process, I learned a lot—both about programming and the moon cycle.

A thought on science:
I’m not a scientist, so I can be a little cynical at times. I don’t blindly trust science. As the saying goes, to err is human. Science has been wrong many times before—even in its calculations.

I personally see AI as a valuable tool for me, and I’m excited to see how it continues to develop.

 

[Luminous74]

In developing todays reef chemistry question of the day, I used the Google search ai for help. It failed catastrophically on a super simple question. Note the math mistake in the red text. Right equation, and incredibly, the wrong answer.

prompt:

"liters in a 12 ft x 12 ft x 8 ft room?"

Response:


A 12 ft x 12 ft x 8 ft room contains approximately 3,686 liters.

Explanation:

• Calculate cubic feet:
  First, multiply the length, width, and height of the room to find the volume in cubic feet: 12 ft x 12 ft x 8 ft = 1,152 cubic feet.
• Convert to liters:
  Since 1 cubic foot is roughly equal to 28.317 liters, multiply the cubic feet by this conversion factor: 1,152 cubic feet x 28.317 liters/cubic foot = 3,686 liters.

Key point: To calculate the volume of a room in liters, multiply the length, width, and height in feet, then convert to liters using the conversion factor 28.317 liters per cubic foot.

Die selbe Berechnung in chatgGPT. Ist correct?

1. Mass of Water in a 10-Gallon Reef Aquarium

1 gallon of water = 3.785 liters

10 gallons = 37.85 liters

Density of seawater (PSU 35) = 1.025 g/ml = 1.025 kg/L

Mass = 37.85 liters × 1.025 kg/L = 38.8 kg

2. Mass of Air in a 12 x 12 x 8 ft Room

Room volume:

12 ft × 12 ft × 8 ft = 1,152 ft³

1 cubic foot = 28.3 liters

1,152 ft³ × 28.3 L/ft³ = 32,582 liters


Density of air at 25°C = 1.2 g/L = 0.0012 kg/L

Mass of air = 32,582 L × 1.2 g/L / 1000 = 39.12 kg

 

[Opus]

Huh?

I am sorry but that is an extremely broad statement, no different than saying “wow I just don’t get all of the hype about the F35 Raptor or stealth aircraft, airplanes have been around since 1903, and Leandro de Vinci invented helicopters in 1480”

The current LLMs may have roots in 1960s concepts, but the size and complexity of the models have nothing in common and have only recently become as powerful as they are, let alone consumable outside of a lab environment or dedicated framework.

I get that, but most companies are putting "AI" in their marketing/advertising material when they haven't changed anything. It is strictly there because it is the current in marketing term. Kind of like the coral naming game. A coral with a name is going to sell easier in most cases.