Bayer insecticide as a coral dip

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0.2 mils of concentrated Bayer?? Into what volume of water?


RUN CARBON!
About, well I stuck my thumb through the cap seal, then went and grabbed the frags out without realizing it lol. But is this going to kill my fish? About 120 gallons
 
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Usually when I use bayer, I'm pretty cautious with playing around with it. I've left a couple frags sitting in bayer before for a while without any I'll effects. Usually triple rinse, this time was a slipup and am very worried.
 

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I'd run carbon, and if you have water, do a change.

But again, what's the total volume of your system? If it's big, it might be moot.

I'd be more concerned about inverts.....keep an eye on them.
 

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I'd run carbon, and if you have water, do a change.

But again, what's the total volume of your system? If it's big, it might be moot.

I'd be more concerned about inverts.....keep an eye on them.
About 120 gallons. I only have about 5 hermit crabs , hundred of tiny brittle stars and small handfull of snails. I added a quarter cup of r0x to my carbon bag that I just replaced yesterday. Fingers crossed =/
 
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Is there any evidence that this can kill ich whilst it's in the egg/cyst stage?
 

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@stefanm , the arithmetic should be straight forward if they the two active ingredients are at the same proportions. If it helps, the Bayer's active ingredients and percentages are:

Imidacloprid - 0.72%
beta-Cyfluthrin - 0.36%

As far as the dilution for dipping, that's all over the place. Check out THIS post....summary of what folks use is in Post #55.
 

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@stefanm , the arithmetic should be straight forward if they the two active ingredients are at the same proportions. If it helps, the Bayer's active ingredients and percentages are:

Imidacloprid - 0.72%
beta-Cyfluthrin - 0.36%

As far as the dilution for dipping, that's all over the place. Check out THIS post....summary of what folks use is in Post #55.
The proportions are different, the description first, then the percentages.

Solomon contains time tested Imidacloprid and Beta- Cyfluthrin in an innovative oil dispersion formulation. It has a combination of systemic and contact properties which gives quick knockdown and anti-feeding effects. It is thus a broad segment insecticide for sucking and biting pests. The oil dispersion based on O-TEQ formulation (patent protected) ensures better rain fastness, optimized retention and penetration activity.

Beta-Cyfluthrin + Imidacloprid 300 OD
(8.49 + 19.81 % w/w)

As you can see, the
Beta-Cyfluthrin, is at a lower proportion, to be honest that doesn't bother me so much.
This does though "
The oil dispersion based on O-TEQ formulation (patent protected) ensures better rain fastness, optimized retention and penetration activity."

There is a possibility that the products have the same carrier, unfortunately there's no way of knowing for sure as far as I know. I'm very reluctant to assume the products are almost identical even though they're manufactured by the same company.
 

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As per my previous post, I had a look at the safety data sheet, this product also has naphthalene and glycerine in an oil base, not soluble in water, so I guess it's unsuitable.

However I've found the two active chemicals separately both products of bayer, the following is the strength of the compounds in liquid form.
Imidacloprid 17.8%
Beta-cyfluthrim 2.45%

So what would be my dose per chemical for a litre or gallon, standard dose?
 

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Ok, I found an online calculator, according to the calculator, based on 5 ml of each chemical I need to add the following,
Imidacloprid 118.61 ml water
Beta-cyfluthrim 29 ml water
This will give 157.61 ml of combined solution at the respective rates of 0.72 and 0.36% or there abouts.

Does this seem correct?
 

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Hi all, I'm not sure if the question has already been asked but can I buy Bayer in the UK ?
 

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