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My question is why doesn't anyone use bayer with germ killer? it mixes up clear so you can see what's coming off your frags. Is something in the germ killer toxic???
I have used bayer complete with germ killer with no problems to my knowledge.I'm going to throw in my two cents, and tell you right off the bat, I wouldn't use it for my corals. Note that I exclusively use Bayer Complete as a coral dip.
Let's first look at ingredients of both.
Bayer Complete has: beta-cyfluthrin and imidacloprid
Bayer Pest plus Germ Killer has: beta cyfluthrin and sodium o-phenylphenate (SOPP)
The ingredients in Bayer Complete have a very long history, coming from the use of tobacco teas, and an extract from Chrysanthemum flowers. Both of these ingredients are insecticides, acting as a neurotoxin to kill the bugs. This years of history is what, in part, drove me to using this product as a coral dip. However, it doesn't mean that these two ingredients are safe for the environment. The imidacloprid has now been implicated in honey-bee colony collapse disorder, and has recently been excluded from use in certain areas. For this reason, I only use Bayer Complete as a coral dip, and not as indicated with lawn and garden.
The Bayer Pest plus Germ Killer similiarly has the cyfluthrin to kill the insects in addition to the SOPP, which is used as a surface disinfectant, material preservative, and in agriculture, as a broad-spectrum post-harvest fungicide for specific fruits (Oranges, to name one). I will assume we could argue the benefit of this disinfectant as a coral dip. The one thought that came to my mind is if some "bugs" were munching on your coral, you'll now leave that wound clean. However, with that said, the one thing that bothered me was in one of the data sheets was printed, "SOPP's are highly toxic to aquatic organisms on an acute basis." They didn't go into detail (and I didn't look), but algae was mentioned as one of those organisms.
I'm not sure who the first was to try Bayer Complete as a coral dip. So who's going to be the first to try this Bayer germ product on their corals. It won't be me!
First of all. Bayer is very safe to use for corals.Found out Bayer does not kill Red Planaria. I dipped a frag with them for 15 minutes in 20ml/cup Bayer solution. After the rinse they were crawling around on the frag like no big deal.
First of all. Bayer is very safe to use for corals.
Second. If you use bayer, chances are you will loose all your pods and shrimps. It does not matter how many times you rinse them out. Its not easy to clean the bayer off of the coral that easy.
This member is correct. Bayer do not really kill flatwom. They make the worm to do dizzy and fall off the.coral but they still alive amd moving.
I fount this out this out when my tank was.affected with aefw. After 30 minutes they still crawling in the.container.
I had aefw where i had to dip every single corals once.aweek for 10 weeks.
Anyways. I witnessed that bayer dont kill aefw in 15 minutes and not even with 30 minutes.
Found out Bayer does not kill Red Planaria. I dipped a frag with them for 15 minutes in 20ml/cup Bayer solution. After the rinse they were crawling around on the frag like no big deal.
Only from my acquaintances and friends :mad:I've never got any corals from ASD that didn't have AEFW
Bayer dip will NOT kill off your system
A little bit of both or at least that has been my experienceDoes bayer kill the nasties or simply stun them so that they fall off the coral?