Only prone if all fish are not properly QTAnother reason why I got rid of my blue tang today. Always prone to ich
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Only prone if all fish are not properly QTAnother reason why I got rid of my blue tang today. Always prone to ich
I'm going to go in a different direction here; does the fish show any secondary symptoms, breathing fast, lack of appetite or scratching?Suddenly my Hippo tang is looking to be in rough shape. Nothing added to my tank in at least 4-5 months. I think more like 6. I QTd all fish. I’m very confused why this would suddenly show up.
Being in Canada means almost no access to meds...
Is this Brook? Seems like it must be. How does Brooklynella spread?
I don’t add anything to my tank because I have very large puffers which physically cannot QT anymore. This is so discouraging.
I'll be the first one to stay up I couldn't under appreciate Jay if I tried.The above being why we keep Jay around, and why he remains underappreciated, overworked and prone to become a grouchy old man someday.
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Formalin is available in the form of:No, I have never been able to find formalin. Basically all meds are banned.
I'm going to go in a different direction here; does the fish show any secondary symptoms, breathing fast, lack of appetite or scratching?
It may be a artifact of the photos, but these spots are diffuse and are of different shapes. Parasites like ich are more regular, with shaper edges. If it was velvet, but the time you see spots on the body, gills would be so damaged that the fish would be breathing really fast. With flukes, the fish would be scratching. With all three, other fish would be showing symptoms (or will be soon). The only other disease that this looks like is Brooklynella, and I can't rule that out at this point.
Hepatus tangs are prone to what I call "idiopathic mucus plugs". I don't know all the reasons that can cause them, but copper treatments (not in this case) and environmental stress seem to be two causes. That's what I'm seeing here. Here is an article I wrote that discusses this topic:
Mucus - The Slime That Binds
Mucus: The Slime that Binds Jay Hemdal C. 2020 This article examines the various causes of excess mucus coatings on fish, as well as fecal mucus issues. ------------------- The mucus produced by the fish’s epidermal cells gives them their...www.reef2reef.com
Jay
she is not breathing heavy but I’ve seen her rub on a rock once. I’ve dealt with ich many times over the past 15 years but it never looked like this. As you said, it always had crisp, well defined edges. I can’t actually see any edges, it looks more like tiny bits of peeling skin. She eats and swims normally.It may be a artifact of the photos, but these spots are diffuse and are of different shapes. Parasites like ich are more regular, with shaper edges. If it was velvet, by the time you see spots on the body, gills would be so damaged that the fish would be breathing really fast. With flukes, the fish would be scratching. With all three, other fish would be showing symptoms (or will be soon). The only other disease that this looks like is Brooklynella, and I can't rule that out at this point.
Hepatus tangs are prone to what I call "idiopathic mucus plugs". I don't know all the reasons that can cause them, but copper treatments (not in this case) and environmental stress seem to be two causes. That's what I'm seeing here. Here is an article I wrote that discusses this topic:
Mucus - The Slime That Binds
Mucus: The Slime that Binds Jay Hemdal C. 2020 This article examines the various causes of excess mucus coatings on fish, as well as fecal mucus issues. ------------------- The mucus produced by the fish’s epidermal cells gives them their...www.reef2reef.com
Jay
That still eaves us at Brook or mucus. I'd say wait and see if other symptoms develop...but doing so has some risk to it.she is not breathing heavy but I’ve seen her rub on a rock once. I’ve dealt with ich many times over the past 15 years but it never looked like this. As you said, it always had crisp, well defined edges. I can’t actually see any edges, it looks more like tiny bits of peeling skin. She eats and swims normally.
Ok, thank you.That still eaves us at Brook or mucus. I'd say wait and see if other symptoms develop...but doing so has some risk to it.
Jay
If your fish had velvet, fast breathing would be the first, and sometimes only symptom.Ok, thank you.
I see a lot of comments about velvet, which of course worries me a lot. Does velvet lay dormant like this for so long? Would I not have likely seen signs of velvet at some point in the past? Would my other fish be able to build up such a strong immunity to velvet?
I did treat for ich a very long time ago with hyposalinity because I was not willing to put my puffers through copper. It seemed successful but since hypo is not all that reliable, it's hard to say for sure.
This is a FOWLR tank and in the past I have done hypo right in the display with no negative side effects. I could potentially do that again if it were ich but it probably isn't a cure. And this really doesn't look like ich to me.
Does hypo help brooklynella? I seem to be finding mixed reviews.
Hey do you mean API general cure? I can’t find anything called “quick cure”. I happen to have General Cure which I had shipped from the US.Formalin is available in the form of:
API Quick cure
Ruby Rally Pro
General Cure is a different drug.Hey do you mean API general cure? I can’t find anything called “quick cure”. I happen to have General Cure which I had shipped from the US.
It looks very similar to velvet, but different. Typically with velvet the fish will become very agitated. Especially tangs. It’s like having ants in their gills. They swim very erratic especially with the flow off. They will definitely breathe heavy in the end, but sometimes not initially. It could be ICH, but it doesn’t look like Ich to me. It’s really odd that you haven’t added anything in 6 months and the fish isn’t in distress. When you say anything does this include anything wet as well? Flashing is usually seen with both Ich and Velvet.she is not breathing heavy but I’ve seen her rub on a rock once. I’ve dealt with ich many times over the past 15 years but it never looked like this. As you said, it always had crisp, well defined edges. I can’t actually see any edges, it looks more like tiny bits of peeling skin. She eats and swims normally.
Yes, it's all very strange to me too.It looks very similar to velvet, but different. Typically with velvet the fish will become very agitated. Especially tangs. It’s like having ants in their gills. They swim very erratic especially with the flow off. They will definitely breathe heavy in the end, but sometimes not initially. It could be ICH, but it doesn’t look like Ich to me. It’s really odd that you haven’t added anything in 6 months and the fish isn’t in distress. When you say anything does this include anything wet as well? Flashing is usually seen with both Ich and Velvet.
I’d be interested to see what happens in the following days.
If it is velvet, then these are some tough fish. I have 6 fish in the tank, 5 of them don't show any signs of the parasite but would have been living with it for close to 6 months. The one fish showing signs is not having any issues with breathing.To me the spots don't look distinct enough to be ich. My vote is velvet or some other, perhaps less common, external parasite. Definitely not brook, though.
Unfortunately I can't get meds in Canada. Everything was banned a few years back. Not totally sure why but some ridiculous reason that I believe was to regulate fish farms and ended up banning meds for hobbyists too.My firefish made it through velvet, so you never know what will happen, sometimes. Hopefully the tang makes it through. Do you have corals or inverts? If not, why not treat the DT?