Chrysurus angel with possible fin rot from almost dead asfur?

[jwheels10]

So I recently posted about an asfur angelfish with fin rot. I dosed with medications, but the fish never got better and now looks beyond saving. He lost a bunch of coloration, got this mucas stuff under where his fin used to be ( not ammonia burns), his other fin is rotting away, his eyes look glassy and the one that wasn’t bubbled before is now bubbling. I was thinking about moving the asfur into a 5 gallon bucket with a heater and a bubbler. But my main concern now is that the chrysurus has a small patch of something on one of his pectoral fins, the same spot where the asfur had it. I would normally shrug this off as I have thought see it on a few angels that look healthy, but do to the asfur I’m worried. The chrysurus has tried rubbing himself on stuff. His breathing is slightly labored, as has been since we got him. Also I noticed these little patches of like darker color maybe on his head? Not sure about that but I’ll post pictures. What I want to do is just a 100% water change and scrub the tank and everything in it down. My experience with copper didn’t go great this time, and the kanaplex and neoplex didn’t seem to do anything. Anyone have any other suggestions for treatments? Really can’t get the picture from his head but that proably nothing ( I hope)

 

[jwheels10]

Here’s a pic of the asfur with the bubble eye and the Finn that’s better than the one of the other side( the one on the other side is completely gone) asfur has been just siting on the bottom vertically

 

[jwheels10]

There’s this thing on his eye. Not sure if it’s a parasite or just a piece of his eye that’s moving around from the water, but it’s moving. Could it be a parasite?

 

[MnFish1]

I can't see the video - what did you treat the fish with - what are they in now? (i.e. what drugs/what dose)

 

[jwheels10]

I can't see the video - what did you treat the fish with - what are they in now?

Neoplex, kanaplex, copper. The asfur is now in a 5 gallon bucket with an air pump. Woke up to him laying in the ground With extremely heavy breathing.

 

[jwheels10]

I can't see the video - what did you treat the fish with - what are they in now? (i.e. what drugs/what dose)

You can see the thing I was talking about on his eye if you zoom into the picture and look at the very top left. Not sure why the video isn’t working

 

[MnFish1]

Neoplex, kanaplex, copper. The asfur is now in a 5 gallon bucket with an air pump. Woke up to him laying in the ground With extremely heavy breathing.

Do you have any extra oxygen source - and though you don't think it's your parameters - have you checked them? Can you give more details about the medications - how much etc - I know you talked about it before - but I'm talking bout what the new fish has been exposed to.

 

[MnFish1]

You can see the thing I was talking about on his eye if you zoom into the picture and look at the very top left. Not sure why the video isn’t working

Because some browsers do not support them - another way to do it is a YouTube link - if you have time

 

[Jay Hemdal]

So I recently posted about an asfur angelfish with fin rot. I dosed with medications, but the fish never got better and now looks beyond saving. He lost a bunch of coloration, got this mucas stuff under where his fin used to be ( not ammonia burns), his other fin is rotting away, his eyes look glassy and the one that wasn’t bubbled before is now bubbling. I was thinking about moving the asfur into a 5 gallon bucket with a heater and a bubbler. But my main concern now is that the chrysurus has a small patch of something on one of his pectoral fins, the same spot where the asfur had it. I would normally shrug this off as I have thought see it on a few angels that look healthy, but do to the asfur I’m worried. The chrysurus has tried rubbing himself on stuff. His breathing is slightly labored, as has been since we got him. Also I noticed these little patches of like darker color maybe on his head? Not sure about that but I’ll post pictures. What I want to do is just a 100% water change and scrub the tank and everything in it down. My experience with copper didn’t go great this time, and the kanaplex and neoplex didn’t seem to do anything. Anyone have any other suggestions for treatments? Really can’t get the picture from his head but that proably nothing ( I hope)

You mentioned another post - I couldn't find it. In it, did anyone suggest this could be Neobenedenia flukes?

 

[jwheels10]

You mentioned another post - I couldn't find it. In it, did anyone suggest this could be Neobenedenia flukes?

Other post was on another account. Wheel6251 “Asfur angelfish with fin rot?”

 

[jwheels10]

Because some browsers do not support them - another way to do it is a YouTube link - if you have time

Don’t have time right now I’m in school. But there is an extremely heavy Flow in the tank, parameters are fine in the tank. Have done 1 or 2 doses of neoplex while he’s been sick, and haven’t dosed with kanaplex again. Copper is at a bit under 2.

 

[MnFish1]

You mentioned another post - I couldn't find it. In it, did anyone suggest this could be Neobenedenia flukes?

Here is the thread: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/asfur-angelfish-with-fin-rot.1095609/#post-13280834

 

[MnFish1]

Don’t have time right now I’m in school. But there is an extremely heavy Flow in the tank, parameters are fine in the tank. Have done 1 or 2 doses of neoplex while he’s been sick, and haven’t dosed with kanaplex again. Copper is at a bit under 2.

The copper should be above 2 (like 2-2.5) assuming you're using a chelated copper product. There is no reason to re-dose kanamycin. When you say 'one or 2 doses' - I'm not sure what that means - are you using some protocol for the fish? As Jay mentioned have you treated with prazipro or praziquantel?

 

[jwheels10]

The copper should be above 2 (like 2-2.5) assuming you're using a chelated copper product. There is no reason to re-dose kanamycin. When you say 'one or 2 doses' - I'm not sure what that means - are you using some protocol for the fish? As Jay mentioned have you treated with prazipro or praziquantel?

It said weekly for neoplex, and we’ve done one dose and planning on another. I keep trying to raise the copper but it’s being super difficult

 

[MnFish1]

It said weekly for neoplex, and we’ve done one dose and planning on another. I keep trying to raise the copper but it’s being super difficult

Are you sure your test is right? What difficulties are you having with copper? It’s hard to tell you what to do except increase your copper and consider adding prazipro. If your copper drops too much/too long it may not have any effect. As jay said it could be flukes

 

[jwheels10]

Are you sure your test is right? What difficulties are you having with copper? It’s hard to tell you what to do except increase your copper and consider adding prazipro. If your copper drops too much/too long it may not have any effect. As jay said it could be flukes

Should I do a freshwater dip on the chrysurus? Asfurs in the bucket, too late for him. Should I do a 100% water change and just restrart my copper treatment and do Prazi pro?

 

[MnFish1]

Should I do a freshwater dip on the chrysurus? Asfurs in the bucket, too late for him. Should I do a 100% water change and just restrart my copper treatment and do Prazi pro?

I would start with why you’re having problems with copper. I think this has gotten confusing because of the other thread. Do you mean to test for flukes or treat for flukes with the freshwater drip? I would not do a 100% water change. Why were you wanting to do that? I mean you can but im Not sure why? I would probably restart the copper QT protocol. Make sure your levels are 2-2.5. Assuming your using copper safe or equivalent. You can do prazipro with copper though we tend to recommend following copper with prazipro. Make sure ammonia etc is controlled add an airs tone if you can. Watch the fins for any worsening of damage. Follow the direct ions of any antibiotic you add. Kanaplex for example is every other day. All of these are best in a hospital tank no inverts. Avoid rock work that can adsorb calcium. No carbon etc.

 

[jwheels10]

I would start with why you’re having problems with copper. I think this has gotten confusing because of the other thread. Do you mean to test for flukes or treat for flukes with the freshwater drip? I would not do a 100% water change. Why were you wanting to do that? I mean you can but im Not sure why? I would probably restart the copper QT protocol. Make sure your levels are 2-2.5. Assuming you’re using copper safe or equivalent. You can do prazipro with copper though we tend to recommend following copper with prazipro. Make sure ammonia etc is controlled add an airs tone if you can. Watch the fins for any worsening of damage. Follow the direct ions of any antibiotic you add. Kanaplex for example is every other day. All of these are best in a hospital tank no inverts. Avoid rock work that can adsorb calcium. No carbon

 

[jwheels10]

I would start with why you’re having problems with copper. I think this has gotten confusing because of the other thread. Do you mean to test for flukes or treat for flukes with the freshwater drip? I would not do a 100% water change. Why were you wanting to do that? I mean you can but im Not sure why? I would probably restart the copper QT protocol. Make sure your levels are 2-2.5. Assuming your using copper safe or equivalent. You can do prazipro with copper though we tend to recommend following copper with prazipro. Make sure ammonia etc is controlled add an airs tone if you can. Watch the fins for any worsening of damage. Follow the direct ions of any antibiotic you add. Kanaplex for example is every other day. All of these are best in a hospital tank no inverts. Avoid rock work that can adsorb calcium. No carbon etc.

I wanted to do a dip to make sure he has no flukes, because that’s proably what the asfur had and I want to get rid of it, and the water change to help get rid of anything that the asfur had that’s in the tank. We have a few small rocks that I will remove when I do the water change. I’m thinking then prazi and restart my copper treatment. What copper do you suggest? We have copper safe and I’ll tell you the other one when I get home

 

[MnFish1]

I wanted to do a dip to make sure he has no flukes, because that’s proably what the asfur had and I want to get rid of it, and the water change to help get rid of anything that the asfur had that’s in the tank. We have a few small rocks that I will remove when I do the water change. I’m thinking then prazi and restart my copper treatment. What copper do you suggest? We have copper safe and I’ll tell you the other one when I get home

Copper safe is fine. As jay was mentioning the suspected flukes may not be seen and the dip can unnecessarily stress them. Will let @Jay Hemdal comment on that. As I’m not in a place I can leave a long answer. Can you remind why you think the other fish had flukes. Maybe I. Misremembering from the other thread but antibiotics were recommended for fin rot. Note I’m not saying the fish does not have flukes just your impression. Can you also do more pictures and an updated description of his things are since this am? Thanks!!