Chrysurus angel with possible fin rot from almost dead asfur?

[jwheels10]

Copper safe is fine. As jay was mentioning the suspected flukes may not be seen and the dip can unnecessarily stress them. Will let @Jay Hemdal comment on that. As I’m not in a place I can leave a long answer. Can you remind why you think the other fish had flukes. Maybe I. Misremembering from the other thread but antibiotics were recommended for fin rot. Note I’m not saying the fish does not have flukes just your impression. Can you also do more pictures and an updated description of his things are since this am? Thanks!!

Just got home, asfur is dead.

 

[jwheels10]

Copper safe is fine. As jay was mentioning the suspected flukes may not be seen and the dip can unnecessarily stress them. Will let @Jay Hemdal comment on that. As I’m not in a place I can leave a long answer. Can you remind why you think the other fish had flukes. Maybe I. Misremembering from the other thread but antibiotics were recommended for fin rot. Note I’m not saying the fish does not have flukes just your impression. Can you also do more pictures and an updated description of his things are since this am? Thanks!!

I thought I might be flukes do to the eyes. It also might be contagious what he had because now the chrysurus might have it

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I thought I might be flukes do to the eyes. It also might be contagious what he had because now the chrysurus might have it

If you can get a fish within an hour or so from dying, you can give it a post mortem freshwater dip. You would need some sort of magnifier though, because many flukes are too small to see with the naked eye.

 

[jwheels10]

If you can get a fish within an hour or so from dying, you can give it a post mortem freshwater dip. You would need some sort of magnifier though, because many flukes are too small to see with the naked eye

Too late then

 

[jwheels10]

Too late then

Do you think it was flukes based on the picture?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Do you think it was flukes based on the picture?

It could be, I’m just trying to rule that out.

 

[jwheels10]

It could be, I’m just trying to rule that out.

What else do you think it could be?

 

[vetteguy53081]

What else do you think it could be?

Can be an array of issues. With flukes, you may see red or swollen gills with rapid breathing, fish acting lethargic or swimming near the water surface, hiding in the corner of tank or behind rocks, loss of appetite, shaking its head, flashing/darting, develop clamped fins, , or scratching against objects. They may also exhibit what looks like yawning from gill irritation develop, cloudy eyes and loss of color.

With velvet which I doubt, you will see fish scratching body against hard objects, lethargic behavior, Loss of appetite and weight loss, Rapid, labored breathing, Fins clamped against the body, and typically stay at the surface of the water, or remain in a position where a steady flow of water is present in the aquarium.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

What else do you think it could be?

It could be a primary bacterial infection, but those are pretty rare - most bacterial infections start with some injury.

 

[jwheels10]

Can be an array of issues. With flukes, you may see red or swollen gills with rapid breathing, fish acting lethargic or swimming near the water surface, hiding in the corner of tank or behind rocks, loss of appetite, shaking its head, flashing/darting, develop clamped fins, , or scratching against objects. They may also exhibit what looks like yawning from gill irritation develop, cloudy eyes and loss of color.

With velvet which I doubt, you will see fish scratching body against hard objects, lethargic behavior, Loss of appetite and weight loss, Rapid, labored breathing, Fins clamped against the body, and typically stay at the surface of the water, or remain in a position where a steady flow of water is present in the aquarium.

Symptoms he has that you listed for the asfur were: scratched against pvc pipe sometimes but not a crazy amount. He was just laying on the bottom near death and lost color under where his fins used to be and around that area. One eye was bubbled when we got him as you know, and then they started getting cloudy again when he was near death, and rapid breathing near death. One thing a noticed a few days before he died was a white line on his eye, which I don’t know what it was. That eye then started bubbling and looked glassy. For the chrysurus there this white patch on his pectoral fin and it’s starting to get torn up as well. Nothing else with him besides some labored breathing.

 

[jwheels10]

It could be a primary bacterial infection, but those are pretty rare - most bacterial infections start with some injury.

He came with bubble eye but no other injury’s

 

[jwheels10]

It could be a primary bacterial infection, but those are pretty rare - most bacterial infections start with some injury.

Chrysurus came fine

 

[vetteguy53081]

Symptoms he has that you listed for the asfur were: scratched against pvc pipe sometimes but not a crazy amount. He was just laying on the bottom near death and lost color under where his fins used to be and around that area. One eye was bubbled when we got him as you know, and then they started getting cloudy again when he was near death, and rapid breathing near death. One thing a noticed a few days before he died was a white line on his eye, which I don’t know what it was. That eye then started bubbling and looked glassy. For the chrysurus there this white patch on his pectoral fin and it’s starting to get torn up as well. Nothing else with him besides some labored breathing.

Im suspecting bacterial. What is age of tankk and how are you testing water?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Symptoms he has that you listed for the asfur were: scratched against pvc pipe sometimes but not a crazy amount. He was just laying on the bottom near death and lost color under where his fins used to be and around that area. One eye was bubbled when we got him as you know, and then they started getting cloudy again when he was near death, and rapid breathing near death. One thing a noticed a few days before he died was a white line on his eye, which I don’t know what it was. That eye then started bubbling and looked glassy. For the chrysurus there this white patch on his pectoral fin and it’s starting to get torn up as well. Nothing else with him besides some labored breathing.

Im suspecting bacterial. What is age of tankk and how are you testing water?

 

[jwheels10]

Sorry to stop updating, but I just wanted to thank everyone for the help and to give a quick update on the chrysurus. We took him to the fish store we got him and the asfur from when we returned the dead Asfur angelfish to get our gaurentee back, (would rather not name the fish store because of the asfur) and the owner scraped him to check for any diseases on him. He said there was nothing, so we got him acclimated back to the QT after a 100 percent water change. He actually looked pretty rough for a while once we put him back in, with lots of blotches, torn up Finn’s, and heavy breathing. He did not seem to be doing any better and only worse, so we used Prazi pro. He then shook, darted around the tank, and repeatedly tried scraping himself against stuff for about the first 10 minutes when I put this stuff into the filter. I believe he did this because he was shedding any parasites or whatever was on him. He then started looking better, with blotches going away, breathing calming down a bit. The fins started healing a few days ago, and he now looks much better. I’m guessing a few more days in quarantine and then into a acclimation box for 24 hours in the 180, and then he will be released at night with all the lights off except a red light in the tank, and a mirror will be set up on one side to avoid the other large angels aggression which I’m not suspecting to be to much of a problem as they have all mellowed down once the boss of the tank, (7 inch emporer) was added, who is likely to big to think about the chrysurus who is smaller then the blue face (4inches) who he pays no mind to. I will update how he does once in the tank and how acclimation goes. Again, thank you all for all help. @vetteguy53081 @Jay Hemdal @MnFish1
Not sure if the @ works or not but I really appreciate the help.

 

[jwheels10]

some pictures I just took

 

[MnFish1]

Great - thanks!

 

[jwheels10]

Update- with some good and bad news. Chrysurus made it into the acclimation box, very stressed but soon recovered. My suspicion was right about my small blue face not liking him though. He was always right out side the box with his fins up trying to get in to see the chrysurus. After 24 hours of him being in the box I released him with a red light on and all the lights shut off in the house. My French angel doesn’t sleep in a hiding spot and just stays in a corner of the tank, so he was the only fish that saw him all night. He was very interested, and did bite him a few times but the chrysurus didn’t mind and they pretty much got along and swam together. In the morning I see the chrysurus fins slightly torn up but not much. I wasn’t home all day, and I got home about an hour ago. The chrysurus fins were very torn up and he was stressed out below the wave maker. Blue face kept coming up and biting him. I fed the fish, and the chrysurus still ate so that’s good, but I wasn’t happy. I took the blue face out and into the acclimation box with not much hassle. He’s now sitting in there ticked off and the chrysurus is hiding below the wave maker still. I’ll attach some pictures. Can’t do medication or anything due to a banana eel. I don’t want to use medication, but for the future, are there any known medications that won’t kill my eel?