Copper power and Eells and Velvet /

[Stormhaven]

Hi Guys .
I've a major problem and a qt tank would have prevented this so never again without one.
So the tank has mostly soft corals with a decent fish population that's come down with ich/velvet perhaps both .
The last fish was introduced over a few months ago and up until was week things were going swimmingly
Then the outbreak began .
Cloudy eyes a few fish and covered in very fine spots more like a dusting at this point .
Lost one angel that stopped eating and basically hid,gill rate was quite rapid before it died.
The rest have now developed cloudy eyes but acting normal not swimming into the current or light shy .. Velvet ?
The plan of action is removing all the fish with enough media to a large empty system and treat with copper power
let the tank go fallow for 8 weeks and 81 degrees to be safe .
The Problem is there's and Eel has anyone had an eel survive copper power at 2.5 ?
Any input would be Greatly appreciated .

 

[vetteguy53081]

Hi Guys .
I've a major problem and a qt tank would have prevented this so never again without one.
So the tank has mostly soft corals with a decent fish population that's come down with ich/velvet perhaps both .
The last fish was introduced over a few months ago and up until was week things were going swimmingly
Then the outbreak began .
Cloudy eyes a few fish and covered in very fine spots more like a dusting at this point .
Lost one angel that stopped eating and basically hid,gill rate was quite rapid before it died.
The rest have now developed cloudy eyes but acting normal not swimming into the current or light shy .. Velvet ?
The plan of action is removing all the fish with enough media to a large empty system and treat with copper power
let the tank go fallow for 8 weeks and 81 degrees to be safe .
The Problem is there's and Eel has anyone had an eel survive copper power at 2.5 ?
Any input would be Greatly appreciated .

Eels are scaleless and don’t hold well with copper and they are almost resistant to ich. Often bacterial issues or high levels of ammonia and nitrate will cause issue with eyes. You can treat fish and eel safely with ruby rally pro as well as seachem kanaplex but before proceeding- please furnish clear pics of fish and eel under white lighting for assessment. Additionally, Best treatment safe for eels is General Cure.

 

[lion king]

Does your eel show any symptoms? If not and you have a clean tank to move them into, there may be a chance to save them. Eels have what I call a "super slime" coating and protazoan diseases have a very hard time attaching to a "healthy" eel. If you move that eel into a clean tank chances will be very good they will be no worse the wear.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I’ve dosed Gymnothorax eels with Coppersafe at 2.5, but they usually go off feed. What species do you have, does it have good body mass to carry it through a hunger strike?
The way you describe the symptoms, sounds like ich to me (video or pics could help confirm that). If do, another option would be hyposalinity at 1.009, and the eel would tolerate that better.
Jay

 

[Stormhaven]

Hi Guys .
I've a major problem and a qt tank would have prevented this so never again without one.
So the tank has mostly soft corals with a decent fish population that's come down with ich/velvet perhaps both .
The last fish was introduced over a few months ago and up until was week things were going swimmingly
Then the outbreak began .
Cloudy eyes a few fish and covered in very fine spots more like a dusting at this point .
Lost one angel that stopped eating and basically hid,gill rate was quite rapid before it died.
The rest have now developed cloudy eyes but acting normal not swimming into the current or light shy .. Velvet ?
The plan of action is removing all the fish with enough media to a large empty system and treat with copper power
let the tank go fallow for 8 weeks and 81 degrees to be safe .
The Problem is there's and Eel has anyone had an eel survive copper power at 2.5 ?
Any input would be Greatly appreciated .

 

[Stormhaven]

Hi.
The eel is a golden dwarf but seems quite immune to any infection .
i've spoken to

vetteguy53081 he's recommended 5 treatments of Rally Pro .​

The symtoms are head shaking and rubbing gill plates against rocks two treatments of prazi pro were done with 8 days apart but didn't seem to improve anything .
the angel the died was an Interruptus
It's really taking off today 90% of the fish have signs of infection most have cloudy eyes .
water conditions are good with low levels of No3 and PO4 .
I'll try and figure out how to upload a video .

 

[Stormhaven]

Hi.
The eel is a golden dwarf but seems quite immune to any infection .
i've spoken to

vetteguy53081 he's recommended 5 treatments of Rally Pro .​

The symtoms are head shaking and rubbing gill plates against rocks two treatments of prazi pro were done with 8 days apart but didn't seem to improve anything .
the angel the died was an Interruptus
It's really taking off today 90% of the fish have signs of infection most have cloudy eyes .
water conditions are good with low levels of No3 and PO4 .
I'll try and figure out how to upload a video .

 

[Stormhaven]

Corals aren't so hot skimmer off during prazi caused the ph to crash 7.7 :/
It's back up to 8.2 now

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Hi.
The eel is a golden dwarf but seems quite immune to any infection .
i've spoken to

vetteguy53081 he's recommended 5 treatments of Rally Pro .​

The symtoms are head shaking and rubbing gill plates against rocks two treatments of prazi pro were done with 8 days apart but didn't seem to improve anything .
the angel the died was an Interruptus
It's really taking off today 90% of the fish have signs of infection most have cloudy eyes .
water conditions are good with low levels of No3 and PO4 .
I'll try and figure out how to upload a video .

Sorry, I've not dosed that species with copper, so I can't comment on that.

I still think hypo might be a way to go. There is a post about that in the sicky section at the top of the fish disease forum. Here is a link:

Hyposalinity

Hyposalinity Jay Hemdal 2021 This term refers to a long-term bath treatment for marine fishes in which the salt content of the water is lowered and held below the point that certain parasites can survive. The salt level reached, and the time of the treatment are the two variables...

www.reef2reef.com

Jay

 

[Stormhaven]

Sorry, I've not dosed that species with copper, so I can't comment on that.

I still think hypo might be a way to go. There is a post about that in the sicky section at the top of the fish disease forum. Here is a link:

Hyposalinity

Hyposalinity Jay Hemdal 2021 This term refers to a long-term bath treatment for marine fishes in which the salt content of the water is lowered and held below the point that certain parasites can survive. The salt level reached, and the time of the treatment are the two variables...

www.reef2reef.com

Jay

Thanks Jay .
I'm just worried about pulling the trigger on hypo if it's velvet.
I'll give the Rally a five day trial and see if there's improvement.
Thanks for the assistance we really appreciate all the help you and others like vetteguy53081 provide

 

[speedjester]

I’m not familiar with eels. But I can confirm Vetteguys recommendation. I had a Velvet outbreak on my outdoor DT. ( Loaded with inverts and coral.). I dosed RRR for 15 consecutive days. (I’m Not recommending this regime follow directions on bottle) It stopped the velvet. With no impact on anything except giving the water a greenish tint. Which cleared after a few days.

It’s been over a yr and no Velvet.

 

[Stormhaven]

I’m not familiar with eels. But I can confirm Vetteguys recommendation. I had a Velvet outbreak on my outdoor DT. ( Loaded with inverts and coral.). I dosed RRR for 15 consecutive days. (I’m Not recommending this regime follow directions on bottle) It stopped the velvet. With no impact on anything except giving the water a greenish tint. Which cleared after a few days.

It’s been over a yr and no Velvet.

That's given me some hope.
I'll be starting the first dose this morning .
Running the skimmer with the cup off is ok I'd assumed or turn the skimmer off completely?
Thanks

 

[Saltees]

I shared your situation and lost 50% of my fishes. On Jay’s advice, I went with copper power for 30+ days at 2.5ppm, followed by 3 doses of PraziPro at 7 days interval, without further lost of fish. I have 2 banana moray which I separately treat with PraziPro only, and prior to reuniting with their tank mates, put them through a 2 week TTM, with 30min 150ppm H2O2 bath in between transfer.

 

[lion king]

While my opinion isn't the most popular, I strongly suggest not exposing your eel to copper. Most importantly, it is just not necessary. Remove the eel to their own tank, most times they will not need any further action. If concerned, hypo is the way to go. I have removed many eels from protozoan infected tanks, and if done in a timely manner while the eel is still unaffected, it is close to 100%.