Dinoflagellates – Are You Tired Of Battling Altogether?

[Fins1]

Hello everyone. Can someone help ID these please. I believe some kind of dino. Look like Prorocentrum to me. Sand bed has been brown for a couple months. Did biweekly water changes to fix that. Ooof Found this thread and figured I probably have dinos. Started adding Neophos to raise phosphates from 0 to .1 Right now at .02 have to increase dose. I’ve been adding enough to raise it to .05 but it’s not moving up. Nitrates sitting at 12. I also add microbacter7 daily. Have pods arriving Friday. I’m changing socks and vacuuming daily. Learned a lotion this thread! Thank you everyone for sharing. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

 

[iLMaRiO]

Is this a diatom?


taken on the sand, where you can see the hole

 

[ScottB]

Hello everyone. Can someone help ID these please. I believe some kind of dino. Look like Prorocentrum to me. Sand bed has been brown for a couple months. Did biweekly water changes to fix that. Ooof Found this thread and figured I probably have dinos. Started adding Neophos to raise phosphates from 0 to .1 Right now at .02 have to increase dose. I’ve been adding enough to raise it to .05 but it’s not moving up. Nitrates sitting at 12. I also add microbacter7 daily. Have pods arriving Friday. I’m changing socks and vacuuming daily. Learned a lotion this thread! Thank you everyone for sharing. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

I am torn between Proro and large cell Amphids.
@taricha can confirm.

 

[taricha]

I am torn between Proro and large cell Amphids.
@taricha can confirm.

large cell amphidinum. video slowed down and full screen

 

[troutbum17]

just wanted to say thanks to all out there for the amount of information in here. helped me quickly ID & plan a solution amidst significant coral and CUC mortality. Now if overnight shipping from BRS could get that phosx & UV sterilizer here any faster... ;Nailbiting

 

[iLMaRiO]

dino Bubbles arent supposed to go away during the night? because i've checked right now (lights off 3 hours ago) and they are still here. even the sand is still dark/Brown

i would expect an almost clean tank during the night

 

[troutbum17]

let me ask a question for you more experienced dino warriors. it seems like the formula roughly speaking for the fight on dinos is UV + bateria supplemental + nitrate / phosphate supplement + blackout (in some cases). i've been wondering - if the bacteria you supplement (such as micro-bacter7) is introduced to the water column, why wouldn't that stuff just get immediately torched by the UV? am i wasting the bacteria supplement by adding it while running the UV 24/7?

 

[iLMaRiO]

when you dose bacteria you have to power off the UV. dose them during the day, when dinos are not in the water column so you can safely shut off the UV for a couple of hours

 

[troutbum17]

when you dose bacteria you have to power off the UV. dose them during the day, when dinos are not in the water column so you can safely shut off the UV for a couple of hours

Makes sense. Thanks!

 

[thatmanMIKEson]

let me ask a question for you more experienced dino warriors. it seems like the formula roughly speaking for the fight on dinos is UV + bateria supplemental + nitrate / phosphate supplement + blackout (in some cases). i've been wondering - if the bacteria you supplement (such as micro-bacter7) is introduced to the water column, why wouldn't that stuff just get immediately torched by the UV? am i wasting the bacteria supplement by adding it while running the UV 24/7?

It sterilizes not kills, and bacteria doesn't last long in the aquarium, thats why most need to be added every day, depending on the bacteria being introduced.. brightwell doesn't disclose its ingredients so no telling whats in that stuff, it could be bacteria..

 

[taricha]

It's a big unknown if the bacteria added through bottled products are beneficial vs dinos. Placebo and chemical effects from the media that comes along with the bacterial product seem equally likely based on people reports of success or not.
If I were adding bottled bacteria in the hopes that they were beneficial, I would yes - shut down UV for a few hours upon addition of the product.


Good quality live rock seems more clearly a positive effect, but it's expensive and if the dino outbreak is strong - it will win out over whatever benefit the live rock brings.

 

[Aqua Man]

Osteoporosis and ?

 

[taricha]

Osteoporosis and ?

I don't see any other cells that are definitively something other than ostreopsis

 

[Aqua Man]

I don't see any other cells that are definitively something other than ostreopsis

Thank you. There are some cells at the top of slide that looked round and moved differently. Circled in yellow

 

[taricha]

There are some cells at the top of slide that looked round and moved differently. Circled in yellow

they could be coolia, but that's an unjustified wild guess from a single blurry still pic.

 

[iLMaRiO]

Ok, i think i'm starting to have a little reduction in dinos, but still no diatoms. What i have is something similiar to hair algea on the rocks, tangs and urchings are eating them , but i'm not sure, maybe some dinos...

anyway, i'm dosing 0.05 ppm PO4 twice a day from 3 days, 0.05ppm daily for 10 days and 0.01ppm daily for a months but po4 are still undetectable. I'm testing twice a day with 2 different tests (Salifer and Elos High Res), always under the lowest detectable vaue (0.03 for salifert, 0.024 for elos). Hanna PO4 ULR checker goes weird with VERY HIGH numbers but I know it isn't usable when high level of silicates are in the water (like I have)

Any idea ? I'm able to rise no3 fast, silicates fast and absolutely no po4.

 

[GarrettT]

Any idea ? I'm able to rise no3 fast, silicates fast and absolutely no po4.

Rock and sand are likely still absorbing it. What are you using to dose po4? How high is your no3? Do you run a skimmer or cheato? Do you dose Kalk?

 

[iLMaRiO]

Rock and sand are likely still absorbing it. What are you using to dose po4? How high is your no3? Do you run a skimmer or cheato? Do you dose Kalk?

I'm dosing grotech Phosphat plus.

no3 last time i've checked, was around 5-6, then i've stopped to dose daily and I dose 2ppm every 3-4 days, i'm trying to rise po4 first.
I have a skimmer, tried also to shut it down 2 hours when dosing
I have a chaeto in a powered off reactor (powered off pump and light) so it will die shortly (and it wasn't grown at all, even when dosing)
No kalk

 

[GarrettT]

@taricha @ScottB When I use a microscope, I have probably 95% diatoms and 5% Dinos. When is the appropriate time to stop dosing silicate. I have a diatom bloom, which I'd like to resolve, but nervous about the repopulation of Dinos. Thoughts?

 

[GarrettT]

anyway, i'm dosing 0.05 ppm PO4 twice a day from 3 days, 0.05ppm daily for 10 days and 0.01ppm daily for a months but po4 are still undetectable.

Are you checking the ppm amount soon after you dose? Is it showing the correct amount of ppm dosed?
My phosphurous URL readings seem unaffected by the silicate, but I don't have the P04 checker either. Are you seeing growth in GHA and other algae?