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+1 to this, if you move all of it. But you might also experience a mini-cycle, especially if sand is disturbed and there is some die-off in the process.Basically if you have a tank up and running and move all the sand and rock from that tank to a new one, you do not have to cycle the tank, you can put the fish straight in...that’s the quick answer.
thanks! this helps a lot.Basically if you have a tank up and running and move all the sand and rock from that tank to a new one, you do not have to cycle the tank, you can put the fish straight in...that’s the quick answer.
Yes! I’m planning to use different live rock and live sand from another tank, so I may not use the ones in the the photo. and Yes! I thought about the unwanted hitchhikers that may come in the rocks or sand, in the other hand if I decided to start up with live stuff will be from a Anemone Tank from a Friend but my concern is if this doesn’t work as planned I will feel really really bad if anything dies which could happen. that’s why I post this thread asking if anybody has used live rock and live sand from another old tank.Sorry, I might have read your post wrong, but you are saying you are getting live rock from another tank/system that has been running for a while?
If yes, it will help "seed" your new system, but it will still go through its own cycle. It will help speed it up a little bit, but to be honest with you, there are a lot of products/methods you can use/buy now that cycle tanks fairly quickly - all of which you can find on this forum.
The only issue to think about when getting live rock from another system, is potential bad hitchikers. For example, if you are getting it from a tank that has had ich or other fish diseases, you'll likely bring it into your new system. Other things could be aptasia and bad inverts.
If it were me, I'd personally go the sterile route and start fresh. I think you won't notice a big difference!
great!! have you added an anemone doing the same transfer??If your are taking old live rock from one system transferring to new system you won't see a cycle. I didnt. Thats how I always start a new tank. Lots of bio media. No cycle and fish in the same day.
I appreciated your help.+1 to this, if you move all of it. But you might also experience a mini-cycle, especially if sand is disturbed and there is some die-off in the process.
So, we actually bought our tank from someone else and moved it to our house. We used his rock/sand etc and didn’t experience any cycle. Then, over time, we switched to the rock we wanted and let his old rock seed our new rock. Our tank is pretty dang stable and I totally attribute it to using all that old bacteria/rocks/sand etcI appreciated your help.
yes I know there’ll be die-off especially beneficial bacteria, as far I remember.
I had a RBTA that began to reproduce like crazy in my reef tank. I decided to move them all to another tank I had running. I decided to rearrange the rock work on both tanks as well. How I did it, was small water changes everyday on both tanks for a few days to get the water parameters as close to each other as possible. When everything was balanced, I switched everything over. It worked perfectly fine and all nems survived (over 20). If its your own rocks/sand etc, its safer than using rocks/sand from another system.great!! have you added an anemone doing the same transfer??
This is how I hope to combine my 2 -10 gallons into my 45. Water changes ever other day and putting that into the new tank. Also taking 30% of the old gravel and adding that in first couple days. I am setting up a small "maze" of caves that the old gravel will go in, hopefully offering a place for my creatures to play. And then I will place my live rock and additional gravel on top.I had a RBTA that began to reproduce like crazy in my reef tank. I decided to move them all to another tank I had running. I decided to rearrange the rock work on both tanks as well. How I did it, was small water changes everyday on both tanks for a few days to get the water parameters as close to each other as possible. When everything was balanced, I switched everything over. It worked perfectly fine and all nems survived (over 20). If its your own rocks/sand etc, its safer than using rocks/sand from another system.
Well you probably just saved me some heartbreak!! I won't flip the gravel then! I was thinking it was going to be much more than I wanted in the new set up. I will keep one of my Nanos as a nurse tank in case I ever need one, so this way all I will pull is the live rock (can get more).that's the dangerous way but it will probably work.
when I mention dangerous, I have several examples where disturbing sandbeds didn't work and all their fish died plus some corals.
the only safe known transfer method is skip cycle sandbed rinsing, where 100% of any sand coming into a reef tank is rinsed so that its 100% cloudless. we didn't need it's bacteria or animals, rocks provide those, we needed cloudless reef tank transfers and combinations to be safe. combining 30% of old sand isn't as safe as using 0% old sand and 100% pre rinsed sand before its used in a new tank.
*nice to see some examples of updated cycling science here on skip cycling. yes for sure transferred cured rocks don't cycle or mini cycle, they just transfer.
the concept of mini cycling doesn't occur in reefing because reef tanks that can control ammonia at all eat it up so fast (thanks to seneye meters we can see it now) there is no dangerous leftovers in the system. those were API misread remnants that made people think ammonia was partially uncontrolled after a rock move including from pet store to home, not just in-home tank transfers.
any time a failed tank transfer happened, it was always the sand (clouding, unrinsed partial old sand transfers) that did it and 0% of the time it was the rock. rocks don't ever emit ammonia, as the old adage goes. the old adage was using API and believed anything it had to say
what seneye shows regarding what reefs do with ammonia is ground-breaking and api-retiring.