dude on youtube has a bluetang in such a small tank

[Cichlid Dad]

Don't you guys see the hypocrisy in your stance?

I find it silly that we have drawn the line on what water volume is adequate for a fish.

I also find it silly how someone who feels it, ok, to pull a fish from the ocean to put in a large tank has the nerve to tell someone they can't keep a fish in yet a smaller tank.

Given that perspective, taking a fish from hundreds of thousands of gallons of swimming space to 200g is a lot worse than comparing a fishes happiness in a 200g vs a 20g.

That line of thinking is no different than people saying that you shouldn't have fish in a tank at all. Actually it is different, because there's no hypocrisy when saying that.

How's the weather up there?

 

[Red_Beard]

Im just here for the lolz

 

[EliMelly]

I think that there needs to be education but with empathy. I had a 90 gallon as my first tank and wanted a hippo and a yellow. I was told off by people and swore I would upgrade when the fish would need a bigger tank. I now have a 200 gallon.

Most people get fish because they love nature to a certain extent. I’m sure if they knew what was required and were told in a respectful way they would either not get the fish or provide an appropriate home.

 

[Cichlid Dad]

I think that there needs to be education but with empathy. I had a 90 gallon as my first tank and wanted a hippo and a yellow. I was told off by people and swore I would upgrade when the fish would need a bigger tank. I now have a 200 gallon.

Most people get fish because they love nature to a certain extent. I’m sure if they knew what was required and were told in a respectful way they would either not get the fish or provide an appropriate home.

I can agree with this

 

[TangerineSpeedo]

How's the weather up there?

Your missing the bigger picture... don’t be so defensive...

 

[Cichlid Dad]

Your missing the bigger picture... don’t be so defensive...

Actually not defensive, or offended,

 

[polyppal]

Don't you guys see the hypocrisy in your stance?

I find it silly that we have drawn the line on what water volume is adequate for a fish.

I also find it silly how someone who feels it, ok, to pull a fish from the ocean to put in a large tank has the nerve to tell someone they can't keep a fish in yet a smaller tank.

Given that perspective, taking a fish from hundreds of thousands of gallons of swimming space to 200g is a lot worse than comparing a fishes happiness in a 200g vs a 20g.

That line of thinking is no different than people saying that you shouldn't have fish in a tank at all. Actually it is different, because there's no hypocrisy when saying that

What kind of nonsensical argument is that?

By you’re logic, it would be hypocritical for a dog owner who lets their pet roam the backyard to tell a dog owner who leaves his dog pinned up in a tiny carrier 24/7 that their actions are inhumane

Unless you let your dog roam the wilderness freely, youre a hypocrite and don’t have the moral high ground to recognize one of those animals is going to fare much better than the other?

lol ridiculous

 

[TangerineSpeedo]

Actually not defensive, or offended,

97.2% of the modern world does not need to fish or hunt, we have grocery stores. The ability to do that is a unnecessary luxury. Don't get me wrong, I am a pretty apt outdoorsman with a rifle, bow or pole. None of us need the hobby we are in, except me because it helps with the PTSD. But I am sure it could be replaced with strippers, gambling and or drugs,
I am just saying that the only real reason to keep corals or fish is for education or conservation. What we do is essentially self serving. Because of that, one can not judge, only educate.

 

[TangerineSpeedo]

Unless you let your dog roam the wilderness freely, youre a hypocrite

Yes, But a dog is a domesticated animal but a fish is not.
You would not capture a wolf and keep it an any type of enclosure and call it humane.

 

[Sisterlimonpot]

By you’re logic, it would be hypocritical for a dog owner who lets their pet roam the backyard to tell a dog owner who leaves his dog pinned up in a tiny carrier 24/7 that their actions are inhumane

If you want to compare apples and oranges then let's put it into perspective, giving a dog free reign to outside as well as inside the home vs having the same dog confined to only the house would be a better comparison.

Your comparison is the equivalent to allowing a fish to live in the plastic bag it came in.

So, now that we're on the same page, my logic holds. Why is it any of your business to tell someone they should allow their dog outside?

It's all a matter of perspective. You can look at the video the op posted and be appalled in the same manner as someone who looks at this video as inhumane.



BTW, I'm not taking sides, I'm simply pointing out the silliness.

 

[TangerineSpeedo]

If you want to compare apples and oranges then let's put it into perspective, giving a dog free reign to outside as well as inside the home vs having the same dog confined to only the house would be a better comparison.

Your comparison is the equivalent to allowing a fish to live in the plastic bag it came in.

So, now that we're on the same page, my logic holds. Why is it any of your business to tell someone they should allow their dog outside?

It's all a matter of perspective. You can look at the video the op posted and be appalled in the same manner as someone who looks at this video as inhumane.



BTW, I'm not taking sides, I'm simply pointing out the silliness.

OMG! There is so much coral in there, the fish have no place to swim! The horror....

 

[betareef]

Sorry guys but hypocrisy happens on aquarium forums and in the hobby all the time. I remember an argument where some people were holding the position that no-one should ever keep fast swimming fish (like tangs) in a household size aquarium.

People scold beginners and put severe limits on stocking levels etc, then ignore overstocked reef tank pictures because they do look great with lots of coral and many fish. Poor beginners - but yes I understand the motivation, as beginners do always tend to want too many things at once.

I also think conditions in the local fish stores are often attrocious, and the poor quality of fish you get as a result is - well expensive, if nothing else. But, I still buy from them, if it's something I really want - and "take the risk".

It's an imperfect world.

 

[Boreas_SA]

Have one in a similar sized tank for now, will go to my already running bigger tank soon, was more so it doesn’t get beat up by the much bigger fish in the big tank until it has grown a bit. Has been in there for probably 3 months, doesn’t look too stressed, comes to the glass and begs for food. Obviously not a permanent home.

 

[Peter Houde]

If you want to compare apples and oranges then let's put it into perspective, giving a dog free reign to outside as well as inside the home vs having the same dog confined to only the house would be a better comparison.

Your comparison is the equivalent to allowing a fish to live in the plastic bag it came in.

So, now that we're on the same page, my logic holds. Why is it any of your business to tell someone they should allow their dog outside?

It's all a matter of perspective. You can look at the video the op posted and be appalled in the same manner as someone who looks at this video as inhumane.



BTW, I'm not taking sides, I'm simply pointing out the silliness.

I'm not sure I get what point you are making in this post, but the video is very appropriate for some of other posts people have made. Do you see how the powder brown is pacing back and forth nonstop from one end of the tank to the other? Just like a lion in the 10x10 cells of old fashioned and private zoos. It is searching endlessly for a way to escape. It is stressed. It is not a good life. And it is not even pleasing to watch. The other fish are behaving normally much as they would in the wild. They might be happier in big schools evading larger carnivores, who knows. But as a certified fish psychotherapist (and liar), I'd say they look happy. And... they are much more pleasing to watch.

 

[Zionas]

Basically the Tangs OK for medium tanks, but anything less than 6ft should be the following:

Acanthurus
(1) Lemon Mimic
(2) Powder Brown (Japonicus)
(3) Convict
(4) Lavender

Zebrasoma
(1) Yellow
(2) Purple
(3) Brown
(4) Gem

Not a fan of the Black Tang so I won’t include it here.

Bristletooths
(1) Yellow Eye Kole (if they’re ever available again)
(2) Square Tail
(3) White Tail
(4) Tomini
(5) Two-Spot

I feel like the others need at least a 6ft, 8ft for some. Either size, temperament or swimming patterns.

 

[BristleWormHater]

Don't you guys see the hypocrisy in your stance?

I find it silly that we have drawn the line on what water volume is adequate for a fish.

I also find it silly how someone who feels it, ok, to pull a fish from the ocean to put in a large tank has the nerve to tell someone they can't keep a fish in yet a smaller tank.

Given that perspective, taking a fish from hundreds of thousands of gallons of swimming space to 200g is a lot worse than comparing a fishes happiness in a 200g vs a 20g.

That line of thinking is no different than people saying that you shouldn't have fish in a tank at all. Actually it is different, because there's no hypocrisy when saying that.

Ah yes, because there's no hypocrisy in a fishkeeper telling other fishkeepers not to fish keep.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Im not sure what size it is maybe 10 or 20 but i was on youtube and this came across on my feed.. some people!!!

Short term, that would work out. Here is an article I wrote on estimating the swimming needs of fishes:

Estimating the Need for Swimming Space for Aquarium Fishes

This article explores required aquarium sizes for marine fishes

www.reef2reef.com

 

[GARRIGA]

Internet

 

[Reefer Matt]

I have had a 6-7 years old purple tang in a 75 gallon for the last 5 1/2 years. Maybe I lucked out that it never got bigger than three inches long. It is well documented on my channel.

 

[Zionas]

It does seem many of the Zebrasoma don’t top out too large in captivity. Out of the 75 species or so of Tangs, only a small number are suitable for most average to slightly above average sized systems.