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[Lostoften]

Should I be concerned about these markings? Tang is in QT, day 1.5 in copper treatment (2.51 this morning). Tang is eating well, feeding twice daily and 1/2 sheet of Nori for both fish.

Temp: 76
SG: 1.025
Ammonia: Seachem yellow (haven’t tested with other kits)

Tang was at LFS for 4 months, and I have had for month plus waiting for QT.

Appreciate the advice.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Should I be concerned about these markings? Tang is in QT, day 1.5 in copper treatment (2.51 this morning). Tang is eating well, feeding twice daily and 1/2 sheet of Nori for both fish.

Temp: 76
SG: 1.025
Ammonia: Seachem yellow (haven’t tested with other kits)

Tang was at LFS for 4 months, and I have had for month plus waiting for QT.

Appreciate the advice.

Looks like stress spots and often from being startled, intimidate or stressed.
If eating and breathing normal, should be fine. The water looks to be a little hazy- Keep an eye on ammonia level with reliable test kit

 

[Lostoften]

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[Lostoften]

Looks like stress spots and often from being startled, intimidate or stressed.
If eating and breathing normal, should be fine. The water looks to be a little hazy- Keep an eye on ammonia level with reliable test kit

Will test with Hanna and Salifert tonight when back home

 

[Lostoften]

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[Jay Hemdal]

Often, you'll need to post a video to youtube and then post a public link here. I agree though, those pale spots are pretty common with this species, and seem to be a response to some stressor. The stressor could be minor or serious, so you'll want to try and pin that down. Let us know how the water tests out, be sure the tank has good aeration.

 

[Lostoften]

Sorry was at scout camp and service wasn't great.

Video of Gem

Salifert: 0 or <0.15 at most
Hanna: 0.38

Water is much clearer then pictures or video illustrate. Think the painting of white in background don't help.

Wish the Gem would give the foxface some space, as he seems more stressed then the gem.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Sorry was at scout camp and service wasn't great.

Video of Gem

Salifert: 0 or <0.15 at most
Hanna: 0.38

Water is much clearer then pictures or video illustrate. Think the painting of white in background don't help.

Wish the Gem would give the foxface some space, as he seems more stressed then the gem.

Yes, that's that typical stress response for this species. I don't see anything else really troubling in the video.

 

[Lostoften]

Thanks! After losing the last gem, and some of the more recent losses trying to stay more vigilant.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Thanks! After losing the last gem, and some of the more recent losses trying to stay more vigilant.

Just watch for it not eating well, or rapid breathing.....

 

[Lostoften]

Sorry to be a pain, but are these possible flukes or lymphocytes (virus) on the gems fins?

Gem Spots on Right and tail fin

Came home yesterday afternoon and foxface was completely stressed out, so divided them. He didn't eat today, but hopefully will resume this afternoon.

Divided Foxface

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Sorry to be a pain, but are these possible flukes or lymphocytes (virus) on the gems fins?

Gem Spots on Right and tail fin

Came home yesterday afternoon and foxface was completely stressed out, so divided them. He didn't eat today, but hopefully will resume this afternoon.

Divided Foxface

The Gem tang could have broken fin rays or flukes, it isn't Lymphocystis.

The water looks a bit murky, are you testing the ammonia level?

Is the copper still at 2.5?

 

[Lostoften]

The Gem tang could have broken fin rays or flukes, it isn't Lymphocystis.

The water looks a bit murky, are you testing the ammonia level?

Is the copper still at 2.5

The water is clear, think the painted tank/cheap Amazon light along with film buildup aren’t helping.

Just tested water:
Copper: 2.43
Hanna ammonia: 0.43
Salifert: 0
Seachem: yellow

Temp: 75.6

Tang is eating well, breathing normal. Foxface didn’t eat either times today that I witnessed and hasn’t touched Nori.

The transfer of the gem to the QT was rougher than desired. So could have injured then, I transferred it to QT 5 days ago.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

The water is clear, think the painted tank/cheap Amazon light along with film buildup aren’t helping.

Just tested water:
Copper: 2.43
Hanna ammonia: 0.43
Salifert: 0
Seachem: yellow

Temp: 75.6

Tang is eating well, breathing normal. Foxface didn’t eat either times today that I witnessed and hasn’t touched Nori.

The transfer of the gem to the QT was rougher than desired. So could have injured then, I transferred it to QT 5 days ago.

The 0.43 ammonia is probably a false reading from the amines used with chelated copper. If the ammonia goes up above 0.5 though, that's free ammonia from the fish and that needs to be managed.

The Foxface may not eat nori well, but it should be eating mysids or brine shrimp.

 

[Lostoften]

The 0.43 ammonia is probably a false reading from the amines used with chelated copper. If the ammonia goes up above 0.5 though, that's free ammonia from the fish and that needs to be managed.

The Foxface may not eat nori well, but it should be eating mysids or brine shrimp.

I tested fresh saltwater that was just dosed with copper and the reading was 0.5, the saltwater itself was 0.1. Sadly been reading quite a bit about the ammonia testing relatability and some of the postings in the chemistry sub-thread. Wish there was an easy, reliable and consistent way of monitoring. Atleast the Hanna give numerical value, that I can monitor for sudden changes.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I tested fresh saltwater that was just dosed with copper and the reading was 0.5, the saltwater itself was 0.1. Sadly been reading quite a bit about the ammonia testing relatability and some of the postings in the chemistry sub-thread. Wish there was an easy, reliable and consistent way of monitoring. Atleast the Hanna give numerical value, that I can monitor for sudden changes.

Many brands of sea salt contain trace amounts of ammonia, up to 0.15 ppm.

 

[Lostoften]

Would you just monitor the marking/bumps and make sure gem is eating? Or think worthwhile to do a freshwater dip? Both fish have been at my house/LFS for months before starting treatment.

Don’t think want to dose prazipro at same time as copper as foxface ate today but hardly aggresssive but was more than yesterday.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Would you just monitor the marking/bumps and make sure gem is eating? Or think worthwhile to do a freshwater dip? Both fish have been at my house/LFS for months before starting treatment.

Don’t think want to dose prazipro at same time as copper as foxface ate today but hardly aggresssive but was more than yesterday.

I would just monitor very carefully - watch for spots coming and going each day, changing location - that’s how ich parasites behave. If the spots stay in the same location for days, it isn’t ich.
I agree, don’t hit the fish with prazi just yet, it can sometimes reduce feeding interest.
I wouldn’t do a FW dip unless you have a microscope that you can look at it afterwards to look for parasites. Just doing a dip won’t cure any disease and can be stressful.

 

[Lostoften]

I would just monitor very carefully - watch for spots coming and going each day, changing location - that’s how ich parasites behave. If the spots stay in the same location for days, it isn’t ich.
I agree, don’t hit the fish with prazi just yet, it can sometimes reduce feeding interest.
I wouldn’t do a FW dip unless you have a microscope that you can look at it afterwards to look for parasites. Just doing a dip won’t cure any disease and can be stressful.

Do have a microscope, but its just a cheap kids one used to confirm Dino's in the display tank.

Was doing a WC on the 20L beneath the gem tank and caught the Gem Flashing. Few minutes later caught it doing it again. I have not seen this, and prior to the flashing had just topped the tank off with some fresh copper treated water.

Gem Flashing

Gem Flashing 2.0

Not sure if the water kicked up some detritus, or if its potentially flukes.

Hats off to you reefers that have been doing this for years. Have had tanks for years, but never realized the effort for a large tank.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Do have a microscope, but its just a cheap kids one used to confirm Dino's in the display tank.

Was doing a WC on the 20L beneath the gem tank and caught the Gem Flashing. Few minutes later caught it doing it again. I have not seen this, and prior to the flashing had just topped the tank off with some fresh copper treated water.

Gem Flashing

Gem Flashing 2.0

Not sure if the water kicked up some detritus, or if its potentially flukes.

Hats off to you reefers that have been doing this for years. Have had tanks for years, but never realized the effort for a large tank.

Yes, detritus in the water can cause flashing just like flukes. Maybe give it 24 hours and see if it is still flashing? Flukes are much slower to kill fish, so you don’t need to rush into anything…..