Gill flukes on my tomato clowns

[Jay Hemdal]

I just went through their website and found that the combination of praziquantel and metronidazole is actually called Para Cleanse where as Prazi Cleanse is just pure Praziquantel, so I am wondering if I should go with these...

If it’s 100% praziquantel, you can dose it at 2.2 ppm, and that will be reef safe, just don’t let any undissolved powder to land on corals, it will cause them to retract.

 

[Mighty Fish]

If it’s 100% praziquantel, you can dose it at 2.2 ppm, and that will be reef safe, just don’t let any undissolved powder to land on corals, it will cause them to retract.

Okay I'll go with it but it has 10-12 days shipping time. Will my fishes be okay till then? They are active but keeps twitching and shaking(not a clown submission behaviour) and they eat a very little. I tried pellets, flakes and frozen mysis but they eat rarely and even if they eat it they spit it out again and again. Please advise me.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Okay I'll go with it but it has 10-12 days shipping time. Will my fishes be okay till then? They are active but keeps twitching and shaking(not a clown submission behaviour) and they eat a very little. I tried pellets, flakes and frozen mysis but they eat rarely and even if they eat it they spit it out again and again. Please advise me.

Can you post a video of the fish? I'm concerned that it may not be flukes. Flukes usually do not cause a fish to stop feeding until very late in the infection.

 

[Mighty Fish]

Can you post a video of the fish? I'm concerned that it may not be flukes. Flukes usually do not cause a fish to stop feeding until very late in the infection.

They didn't twitch or head shake while I was recording which they usually do, but there is no scratching against rocks like the last time

 

[Mighty Fish]

Can you post a video of the fish? I'm concerned that it may not be flukes. Flukes usually do not cause a fish to stop feeding until very late in the infection.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

They do look a bit pale and stressed. That could be flukes, but could also be the start of a protozoan disease.

Do you know the history of these fish? Their coloration looks to me like they were tank raised. Do you know if they were?

 

[Mighty Fish]

They do look a bit pale and stressed. That could be flukes, but could also be the start of a protozoan disease.

Do you know the history of these fish? Their coloration looks to me like they were tank raised. Do you know if they were?

They are tank raised according to seller. Clarkii, Sebae and Maroons are wild caught everytime. And are protozoans similar to flukes?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

They are tank raised according to seller. Clarkii, Sebae and Maroons are wild caught everytime. And are protozoans similar to flukes?

Protozoans are single celled organisms; ich, velvet, brooklynella.

Flukes are multi celled organisms that are larger, basically worms.

 

[Mighty Fish]

Coppersafe isn’t really effective against flukes. If the tank has any calcareous material in it (coral sand for example) you can’t dose without a test kit because you’ll have no way of knowing how much copper remains. In a bare tank, with just PVC or other inert hiding places, if you know the exact water volume, you can dose coppersafe relatively safely without a test kit. You just redose any water change water for that volume.

Jay

I heard people say that copper gets absorbed by the ceramic media in filtration, then even in tank with just PVC how to keep filtration alive without ceramic or is just sponge enough.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I heard people say that copper gets absorbed by the ceramic media in filtration, then even in tank with just PVC how to keep filtration alive without ceramic or is just sponge enough.

No, that's simply not true. I've used copper in plastic tanks with PVC pipe for literally decades with no issues like that, even ionic copper (which is more reactive) doesn't really absorb into those materials. What can happen is that copper bonds with calcium in the water, and if there is too much calcium, it can "plate out" on surfaces, carrying some small amount of copper with it. A simple vinegar soak after use will remove that.

Copper DOES bond tightly and severely to calcium-based materials, as well as some organics.

 

[Mighty Fish]

No, that's simply not true. I've used copper in plastic tanks with PVC pipe for literally decades with no issues like that, even ionic copper (which is more reactive) doesn't really absorb into those materials. What can happen is that copper bonds with calcium in the water, and if there is too much calcium, it can "plate out" on surfaces, carrying some small amount of copper with it. A simple vinegar soak after use will remove that.

Copper DOES bond tightly and severely to calcium-based materials, as well as some organics.

I always thought that copper might get absorbed by the porous media in the filtration and it's hard to maintain filtration without filter media during copper treatments. Thankyou so much for the clarification.

 

[Mighty Fish]

If it’s 100% praziquantel, you can dose it at 2.2 ppm, and that will be reef safe, just don’t let any undissolved powder to land on corals, it will cause them to retract.

I received the product today. It says 1 packet of it for 20 gallons, but mine's approximately 10-12 gallons. How can I measure it in ppm and any advice how to make it exactly half and is it dangerous if it's little overdosed?

 

[Mighty Fish]

I received the product today. It says 1 packet of it for 20 gallons, but mine's approximately 10-12 gallons. How can I measure it in ppm and any advice how to make it exactly half and is it dangerous if it's little overdosed?

Also it's mentioned that 1 packet contains 190mg of praziquantel

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Also it's mentioned that 1 packet contains 190mg of praziquantel

That amount will dose 20 gallons at 2.5 ppm. That is close to the standard dose of 2.2 ppm. If you don't have a gram scale, you can just divide the powder into two amounts as evenly as you can, and use one half for the first dose and the second have 8 days later for the second dose.

 

[Mighty Fish]

That amount will dose 20 gallons at 2.5 ppm. That is close to the standard dose of 2.2 ppm. If you don't have a gram scale, you can just divide the powder into two amounts as evenly as you can, and use one half for the first dose and the second have 8 days later for the second dose.

Hi
I bought a pair of tank bred percula clowns yesterday and they are around 1 inch so I am guessing maybe 2-3 months old. I treated the tank with praziquantel powder from fritz aquatics. Before adding the powder I mixed it with tank water and then poured it to the tank, but still there were some small amounts of undissolved particles in my tank for some time. Today my tank is a little bit cloudy and my two bubble tip anemones are fully shrink, retracted and became so tiny. I have the flow and air stone but is it normal to become cloudy and for my anemones to behave like this?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Hi
I bought a pair of tank bred percula clowns yesterday and they are around 1 inch so I am guessing maybe 2-3 months old. I treated the tank with praziquantel powder from fritz aquatics. Before adding the powder I mixed it with tank water and then poured it to the tank, but still there were some small amounts of undissolved particles in my tank for some time. Today my tank is a little bit cloudy and my two bubble tip anemones are fully shrink, retracted and became so tiny. I have the flow and air stone but is it normal to become cloudy and for my anemones to behave like this?

As I had mentioned, if undissolved prazi lands on corals/anemones, it causes them to retract. The cloudiness does happen with prazi treatments sometimes.

 

[Mighty Fish]

As I had mentioned, if undissolved prazi lands on corals/anemones, it causes them to retract. The cloudiness does happen with prazi treatments sometimes.

Will the treatment be ineffective as few were undissolved? It's nearly 24 hours since adding the praziquantel powder, but there's still symptoms of flukes.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Will the treatment be ineffective as few were undissolved? It's nearly 24 hours since adding the praziquantel powder, but there's still symptoms of flukes.

It depends on the actual amount of undissolved material. Fish often show signs of flukes for up to 72 hours after dosing. You should dose a second time after 8 days.