Have you ever been scammed or felt cheated?

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  1. erk

    erk Valuable Member R2R Supporter Partner Member 2019 Build Thread Contributor

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    I guess I'm lucky, maybe. I've never bought coral and felt I was scammed. Then again, I like to buy cheap brown coral and see what happens.

    As for equipment, when almost all of your stuff is DIY, hard to get scammed.
     

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    Joey Bekius Well-Known Member Build Thread Contributor

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    One thing to remember though is corals don't always look the same in different tanks, for example, if you bought a coral and put it in your tank it could look different due to different factors in your tank vs. the sellers tank. They might just color up nicely in your tank too once they get bigger
     
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    Several years ago I purchased like new, used products from a guy I met on a local forum. There were a couple of transactions as they were always pleasant, reasonably priced and the seller was a nice guy. I asked how he aquiared the equipment. He replied that he buys full setups to get certain items and parts the rest out to help pay for the hobby. Logical explanation and frankly not a bad idea.

    We were a few cities away from each other so I would usually meet him but on one occasion he drove out to my area. I met him and he asked about our local stores. I recommend my, at the time very small lfs and we went our ways.

    Some days later I go to the lfs as usual and talk with the owner. He tells me someone had stolen a light fixture from his store and he had it on video. Shows me the video and it's the guy. Plain as day waits until the owner is occupied by another customer, then takes the light off the shelf and walks out. He comes back in with no light and continues to browse. What a @#$& bag.

    He eventually gets arrested for it after I helped with identifying him and turns out he has been stealing products from lfs in his area and selling them.

    Some of these lfs are doing all they can to keep doors open at times. We were never able to determine where the items I bought came from but I can't help but feel anything I purchased from him was stolen.

    In the end I guess he didn't really scam me but who knows how much he got from stores and knowing the property I received was very likely stolen really didn't sit well with me.
     
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  4. actik

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    I would say my own fault but lesson learned...purchased shape life rock from states, had to use fishisfast to then ship it to canada because original company didn't go that far, so shipping was as much as the product but they took pictures and repackaged it nicely. AFer that it was finally shipped to canada, after another shipping fee ofcourse for it coming into the country...so this rock was looking really expensive at this point and when I opened the package everything was destoyed. Fishisfast was good enough to wanna cover the price of rock but not all the shipping costs again. I dug my hole deep enough at this point so that was my mostly costly mistake in the hobby so far...lol. and yes I glued together all the broken pieces haha
     
  5. ca1ore

    ca1ore Valuable Member R2R Supporter R2R Excellence Award CTARS Member R2R TV Featured Reef Tank 365 Article Contributor Build Thread Contributor

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    An excellent approach - me as well! Sort of like pot luck. Two of my favorite colonies came in very pale and stressed and have colored up spectacularly. Of course, there are also some that came in beige ..... and stayed that way.
     
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  6. Nokiaec11

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    Good tip to keep from being scammed...Don't spend ridiculous amounts of money on equipment that you know will eventually break, or become less effective, and by all means don't pay $1500 dollars for 3" fish just because someone told you it's soo rare...Have seen Jem Tangs everywhere, I don't see the rarity at all.
     
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  7. GlassMunky

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    yes im aware corals can change color but this was straight up misdirection and unhonest sales. none of the frags lasted more than a month or so, all died as they were still fresh cut frags not allowed to heal before shipping. live and learn
     
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  8. reefwiser

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    Wow a lot of the hobby is learning how not to be scammed. There is so much scamming going on the hobby could be called Scamwater.:)
     
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    Lol, yeah I've had many that just stay beige. Then I start wondering if maybe I'm not doing something right to make them color up. That's when I get in trouble.
     
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    Got scammed on some LR being sold out of Florida. I won’t mention a name here. You can check my YouTube channel if you’d like to know.

    I will only deal with TBS for LR from this point forward.
     
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  11. Nokiaec11

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    Yeah, rock can be hit or miss when ordering...I started asking the places to send me pics to select from.
     
  12. Nep2nRev1

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    There are a lot of reputable frag sellers in the hobby, no doubt. But there are a ton more that are scammers. The shame is that you pay a premium for that piece of mind, bargain shopping is hit and miss. I've tried the ebay thing with about 50/50 results. Got a few nice pieces, got a couple that were a bad joke. When you gamble you win some you lose some. To me it's often not so much the money spent as the disappointment. You spend hours surfing to find a particular piece at what seems to be a fair price, wait a couple of weeks for the seller to "cut and heal" the frag, then shipping time. Then the excitement of receiving this piece you've looked so forward to getting sinks into your shoes when you open the container to find something that is less than expected. Case and point, purchased a Fox Flame this way recently only to receive a frag so small it was one of those laugh or cry moments. Healthy, but REALLY!?!?! Definitely felt scammed.
     
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    100% agree to a forum rule of no filters on images and pic under white most be included!
     
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    I believe I’ve been taken advantage of many times but don’t know.
    Well, I had won a WYSIYSG sale, but won the 1st bid from an error of not in 5$ increments.
    I purchased 2 more corals to help our a vendor with the odd win and obtain a few nice corals.
    When questioned I was told it didn’t survive when returned from a weekend trip.. so sent the 2nd wysiwyg frag that didn’t sell but survived.

    For sale on his site for 30x what I paid..

    I can’t get angry for him even following through on the sale and honering the mistake by people not him.
    I purchased a few months later. was absolutely delighted with what was received.

    I will also now ask for day whites and tuned spectrum pictures to clear up any ?s up unless I know said coral
     
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  15. Nep2nRev1

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    A real shame but true, pure greed. If there's a way to make a dishonest dollar, someone's try it. But to be fair, everything in life, not just this hobby.
     
  16. Nokiaec11

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    There is a difference between being scammed, and just assuming...Ask any and all questions about what you are buying...There is another Thread about Yellow Tangs, and someone insisted that those are still being shipped from Hawaii, but more than likely they ne er asked the seller where the Yellow Tang came from, see below:
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    Most people just read the main print, and look at the pretty pictures, but it is your fault for getting what you think you getting if you don't read every single word in an ad, or you just assume just because.
     
  17. Medic58

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    You better believe it. After reading all this I will just pay full price for my stuff.
     
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  18. mibwb

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    2. What are some good tips to keep from being scammed or cheated?
    If it sounds too good to be true - it probably is. And - Even the most trustworthy looking nicest person can scam you. Lastly - look before you leap!

    Sounds like someone met my Ex....
     
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    Hopefully you took him to small claims court. If he is a business - he should be insured against this type of loss as we'll
     
  20. Pauley

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    Scammed? Well, I remember this one time I purchased a new cutting-edge controller at a sweet "introductory price". The controller didn't actually work, but instead of a refund, the company claimed I'd receive an even sweeter and more cutting-edgy controller in the very near future. The company has continued to make that claim weekly for two years. Does that count as a scam? :(

    In seriousness, I've had great luck with hobbyists and small time growers. I don't know if it falls under "scam/cheat" so much as "caveat emptor", but all the big-business saltwater stores in the Orlando area will sell you anything you're willing to buy, regardless of whether or not it is appropriate for your setup. I hear them talking to the less knowledgeable customers all the time, and instead of educating, they run up the bill, downplay any potential issues, and basically unload fish/corals that they know have no chance of survival. Probably not a scam so much as a complete lack of scruples due to greed.

    How to keep from being scammed/cheated: Educate yourself, so you don't have to rely on the word of others, and recognize when something isn't right.
     
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