Heater question- Jager vs titanium and watts inquiry

[BAMatter]

Having a bit of a heater issue, assuming primarily due to the fact that we keep our house on the chilly side in the winter- the room my tank is in stays around 64-66° only because the pellet stove is located in close proximity.

The tank is 75 gallons with around 15-20 gallons in the sump. I’m currently running 2 Jager 150 watt heaters on an InkBird. They’re having a hard time getting up to 78°. I actually had to turn down the settings to 77° as a low and 77.5° as a high just so it would get up to temp and give the heaters a break (there’s nothing living in the tank as I’m still setting it up).

That said, I would have figured 2 Jager 150 watt heaters would be ok with 300 watts total, but it’s not cutting it. The 200 watt heaters are too long for my sump setup. I’m considering the @Bulk Reef Supply Titanium heaters, and don’t want to run into the same issue since I didn’t take into account room temp when looking at the ratings of the Jagers… Looking at the Titanium specs and my current issue, I’m inclined to think I need 2 of the 300 watt heaters for this system.

Just looking for a bit of help making sure this is the correct thought process, since it doesn’t seem like the glass heater watts and titanium watts are aligned, which if someone could clarify that as well that would be solid.

Thanks in advance…

 

[Cell]

I think you just have to go by the manufacturer recommendations for their heater. I just had to upsize my basement tank heater for the same reason. It's been crazy cold in MN already this year and my heaters were struggling to get up to temp.

 

[BAMatter]

I think you just have to go by the manufacturer recommendations for their heater. I just had to upsize my basement tank heater for the same reason. It's been crazy cold in MN already this year and my heaters were struggling to get up to temp.

What’s the temp diff between your basement and what you keep your tank at, and what size heaters did you go with? Total system gallons I guess would help me too… thanks

 

[Cell]

I've got about 70 total gallons, was running a 75W and a 100W and just bumped the 100W to a 150W yesterday and may swap out the 75W for the 100W if needed. Basement temp has been 58-60 lately. My ideal temp is 78-79. It has been running at 74-75 lately.

 

[Cell]

Forgot to mention, I run Eheim Jagers.

 

[BAMatter]

Forgot to mention, I run Eheim Jagers.

I wish I could fit the 200w Jagers. Just don’t have room for them where they need to go unfortunately.

 

[Cell]

I have to submerge and run horizontally.

 

[Cell]

I forgot I swapped out the 75 for the 100 late last night. So I'm running a 150W and a 100W, I'm at 78.7 right now with current 59 deg ambient temp. I will probably have to downsize again in the Summer.

Posted this in the wrong thread.

 

[BAMatter]

I have to submerge and run horizontally.

Mine are as well. Even diagonally the 200’s won’t work, unless I put them in my refuge in which I don’t want to do because of maintenance and where my temp probe is.

 

[Gp!]

It doesn't matter if the heater is encased in glass or titanium for heating effectiveness. All of the heat ends up in the water as it dissipates.

All that matters for sizing the heater is your ambient temperature and the temperature you keep the tank.

This is an example pulled up from Google: https://www.hamzasreef.com/Contents/Calculators/HeaterChillerSizing.php

I forget which one I've used in the past but the math behind them should all be roughly the same

 

[BAMatter]

It doesn't matter if the heater is encased in glass or titanium for heating effectiveness. All of the heat ends up in the water as it dissipates.

All that matters for sizing the heater is your ambient temperature and the temperature you keep the tank.

This is an example pulled up from Google: https://www.hamzasreef.com/Contents/Calculators/HeaterChillerSizing.php

I forget which one I've used in the past but the math behind them should all be roughly the same

That’s a pretty detailed calculator. Thanks for that…

I ended up purchasing 2 of the 300 watt BRS Titanium heaters. Should be solid I’m thinkin!

 

[jda]

Evaporation matters too, so a dry home/climate will evap more and cool more.

I don't mess around with anything under 300w, unless the tank is like 10 gallons.

Strongly suggest multiple 300w Ehiems on Ranco for most reliable setup. I still do not trust the BRS Heaters yet - they have not even been around long enough to know if they are sturdy.

 

[dmsc2fs]

I went through a heater purchase recently and settled on 300W x 2. I wanted to go titanium for all the reasons you probably already know. I couldn't justify a price point on 300W that I would accept so I decided to accept a plastic encased glass heater. I decided on a pair of these:

hygger 925 Replacement Heater Rod Aquarium Heating Element (Controller Excluded)​

 

[BAMatter]

Evaporation matters too, so a dry home/climate will evap more and cool more.

I don't mess around with anything under 300w, unless the tank is like 10 gallons.

Strongly suggest multiple 300w Ehiems on Ranco for most reliable setup. I still do not trust the BRS Heaters yet - they have not even been around long enough to know if they are sturdy.

Can’t fit the 200’s let alone 300’s. I would have gone with 2 of the Jager 200’s.

 

[BAMatter]

I went through a heater purchase recently and settled on 300W x 2. I wanted to go titanium for all the reasons you probably already know. I couldn't justify a price point on 300W that I would accept so I decided to accept a plastic encased glass heater. I decided on a pair of these:

hygger 925 Replacement Heater Rod Aquarium Heating Element (Controller Excluded)​

Yea the cost is a bit much, but the dimensions of the 300w BRS was the selling point for me. I would have gladly stayed with the Jagers if I had the room for something bigger since I already have an InkBird.

 

[jda]

Put them in the tank if you cannot fit them in the sump. You should always have one on the tank, along with the probe to your controller, so that if the return cuts off, then your tank will stay warm with just the flow pumps running.

 

[BAMatter]

Put them in the tank if you cannot fit them in the sump. You should always have one on the tank, along with the probe to your controller, so that if the return cuts off, then your tank will stay warm with just the flow pumps running.

Appreciate the advice, I’m not willing to put them in my display though.

 

[Cell]

I'll never run a single heater big enough to cook my tank.

 

[BAMatter]

I'll never run a single heater big enough to cook my tank.

Are you referring to the 300 watt Jager or the 300 watt Titanium?

 

[Cell]

Are you referring to the 300 watt Jager or the 300 watt Titanium?

General philosophy. If I need 300W, I'd get two 150W heaters instead, or a 200W and a 100W.