Help Id these white spots on purple tang

Ricsreef · Oct 28, 2020

So I’ve had my purple tang for a month now with no problems last night I’ve spotted a couple of (white spots) No other fish have them he’s eating the same no change in that I have uploaded a video

Ricsreef · Oct 28, 2020

Seems the video isn’t working here’s a pic

JGT · Oct 28, 2020

Ricsreef said:
Seems the video isn’t working here’s a pic

Hard to tell from pic. Pic with white light would help but if spots are white looks like ich.

Jay Hemdal · Oct 28, 2020

Could be Cryptocaryon, marine ich. As @JGT said, white light is best for pics. The video failed for me also. One thing that seems to work for videos is to upload them to Youtube and post a link.

Here is a trick about ich: if that is what it is, it is an early infection, so you have a little time to confirm the diagnosis. Using a clear picture of the fish, compare it to the fish after another 24 to 36 hours. If the spots have changed location, or changed in number (either higher or lower) it is more likely ich. If the exact same spots are in the same locations, it probably isn't ich.

Jay

Ricsreef · Oct 28, 2020

Thanks for the reply and I’ll try tomorrow when the lights comes on And I’ll put them on just white to see if they show up and it’s just the tang that has the spot and it’s over 24hrs since o noticed them

Ricsreef · Oct 28, 2020

Best I can get he’s to fast lol

JGT · Oct 28, 2020

Jay Hemdal said:
Could be Cryptocaryon, marine ich. As @JGT said, white light is best for pics. The video failed for me also. One thing that seems to work for videos is to upload them to Youtube and post a link.

Here is a trick about ich: if that is what it is, it is an early infection, so you have a little time to confirm the diagnosis. Using a clear picture of the fish, compare it to the fish after another 24 to 36 hours. If the spots have changed location, or changed in number (either higher or lower) it is more likely ich. If the exact same spots are in the same locations, it probably isn't ich.

Jay

Jay, curious, if the spots don’t move what would it be?

vetteguy53081 · Oct 28, 2020

I agree with crypto. Saltwater Ich, also known as Marine Ich, Marine White Spot Disease, is caused by the parasite Cryptocaryon irritans. Treatment once as jay mentioned is identified will be of importance for success. Formailin may work well on this but a freshwater dip and Chloroquine is highly effective.
Do not treat though until it has been verified as to what it is

JGT · Oct 28, 2020

vetteguy53081 said:
I agree with crypto. Saltwater Ich, also known as Marine Ich, Marine White Spot Disease, is caused by the parasite Cryptocaryon irritans. Treatment once as jay mentioned is identified will be of importance for success. Formailin may work well on this but a freshwater dip and Chloroquine is highly effective.
Do not treat though until it has been verified as to what it is

Interesting, thought copper was SOP for ich. Didn’t know FWD and Chloro is an alternate option.

Ricsreef · Oct 28, 2020

vetteguy53081 said:
I agree with crypto. Saltwater Ich, also known as Marine Ich, Marine White Spot Disease, is caused by the parasite Cryptocaryon irritans. Treatment once as jay mentioned is identified will be of importance for success. Formailin may work well on this but a freshwater dip and Chloroquine is highly effective.
Do not treat though until it has been verified as to what it is

How can it come on so fast ? No other fish have it and would you say ich off the pictures I have uploaded with just white lights on i will get a qt set up for all my fish and will they be safe in a qt tank for 90 days ? Thanks

Privateye · Oct 28, 2020

Ricsreef said:
How can it come on so fast ? No other fish have it and would you say ich off the pictures I have uploaded with just white lights on i will get a qt set up for all my fish and will they be safe in a qt tank for 90 days ? Thanks

Oddly enough, this is a slower-progressing disease than some of the others that present similar symptoms (e.g. Amyloodinium, Brooklynella).

Fish can also have some immunity towards it, or can have it and not present symptoms (the white spot is the slime reaction to the parasite, but not the parasite itself).

If your QT tank is big enough and has established bacteria, or if you can otherwise maintain the water quality, they should be fine in a QT tank indefinitely.

vetteguy53081 · Oct 28, 2020

Ricsreef said:
How can it come on so fast ? No other fish have it and would you say ich off the pictures I have uploaded with just white lights on i will get a qt set up for all my fish and will they be safe in a qt tank for 90 days ? Thanks

Using the word irritants, the cysts have been there and have matured whereas you now see them with the naked eye. Either they continie to mature into what we call marine Ich OR continue to cover fish which could then be velvet in which I like Jays suggestion of seeing if and how it progresses in the next day or two. I mentioned some treatments.
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vetteguy53081 · Oct 28, 2020

Onre thing I should also mention to about Chloroquine. . . . . . The downside of using chloroquine as a saltwater ich treatment is that there are no commercially available tests to help you monitor the levels of chloroquine in your water. You measure once, add it to your tank and hope you got it right

JGT · Oct 28, 2020

vetteguy53081 said:
Onre thing I should also mention to about Chloroquine. . . . . . The downside of using chloroquine as a saltwater ich treatment is that there are no commercially available tests to help you monitor the levels of chloroquine in your water. You measure once, add it to your tank and hope you got it right

Cures ich and COVID-19, who'da thunk it?

jeffrey750750 · Oct 28, 2020

vetteguy53081 said:
Using the word irritants, the cysts have been there and have matured whereas you now see them with the naked eye. Either they continie to mature into what we call marine Ich OR continue to cover fish which could then be velvet in which I like Jays suggestion of seeing if and how it progresses in the next day or two. I mentioned some treatments.
My new personal love as it worked quickly and effectively for me is Polyp Lab " MEDIC"

Is this polyp lab medic reef safe?

Ricsreef · Oct 28, 2020

vetteguy53081 said:
Onre thing I should also mention to about Chloroquine. . . . . . The downside of using chloroquine as a saltwater ich treatment is that there are no commercially available tests to help you monitor the levels of chloroquine in your water. You measure once, add it to your tank and hope you got it right

So coper is out of the question in a qt tank ? As I’m from the U.K. I’m not sure we’re I could get chloroquine

JGT · Oct 28, 2020

Ricsreef said:
So coper is out of the question in a qt tank ? As I’m from the U.K. I’m not sure we’re I could get chloroquine

No, copper is fine. As long as no corals or inverts.

Jay Hemdal · Oct 28, 2020

JGT said:
Jay, curious, if the spots don’t move what would it be?

I can’t tell from the photos, but fish do get the odd spot here or there that may be velvet f no real consequence. That said, purple tangs very frequently get ich. Copper is the treatment of choice, with a good test kit or a Hanna checker, treating fish that have been exposed in the absence of invertebrates of course.
Jay

Jay Hemdal · Oct 28, 2020

Ricsreef said:
So coper is out of the question in a qt tank ? As I’m from the U.K. I’m not sure we’re I could get chloroquine

Chloroquine isn’t available anywhere that I’ve seen due to misuse for COVID.
Jay

Ricsreef · Oct 28, 2020

Jay Hemdal said:
I can’t tell from the photos, but fish do get the odd spot here or there that may be velvet f no real consequence. That said, purple tangs very frequently get ich. Copper is the treatment of choice, with a good test kit or a Hanna checker, treating fish that have been exposed in the absence of invertebrates of course.
Jay

is this picture not good enough for an id ?