Help please!! Ich or black ich!?

[Peepers]

Yes, Dr Tims is good. Fritzyme is another one.
Jay

So Ive had my fish in my qt for a few days. Dosed with prazi on Wednesday. Cupramine has been a pretty stable .5. my foxface has acted like he's stressed beyond belief. Lol. He squeezes in under pvc on his side. Been camouflaged the whole time. I have though he was dead twice but he just seems to be hiding. He still has some brown spots. I will attach a few more photos. How long until spots go away if they are going to? How long until I might see progress? The other fish have been hiding as well but don't act near as bad. Nobody is eating, but have heard cupramine can do that.

 

[Peepers]

I appreciate the answers. Went more than two years without one single problem. Added one fish and destroyed everything in 3 weeks. Ugh. Lol

The white spot on is on the tank. Lol

 

[Jay Hemdal]

So Ive had my fish in my qt for a few days. Dosed with prazi on Wednesday. Cupramine has been a pretty stable .5. my foxface has acted like he's stressed beyond belief. Lol. He squeezes in under pvc on his side. Been camouflaged the whole time. I have though he was dead twice but he just seems to be hiding. He still has some brown spots. I will attach a few more photos. How long until spots go away if they are going to? How long until I might see progress? The other fish have been hiding as well but don't act near as bad. Nobody is eating, but have heard cupramine can do that.

While Cupramine is a bit harsher than coppersafe or copper power, it should not cause the fish to stop feeding. Ammonia is being managed to below 0.25 ppm?

When I see black spots on a foxface, I consider turbellarians (black ich). In your fish, the spots are mostly larger and more diffuse-looking. However, that doesn't mean there aren't turbellarians mixed in. Praziquantel helps with flukes, but not so much with turbellarians.

Jay

 

[Peepers]

While Cupramine is a bit harsher than coppersafe or copper power, it should not cause the fish to stop feeding. Ammonia is being managed to below 0.25 ppm?

When I see black spots on a foxface, I consider turbellarians (black ich). In your fish, the spots are mostly larger and more diffuse-looking. However, that doesn't mean there aren't turbellarians mixed in. Praziquantel helps with flukes, but not so much with turbellarians.

Jay

So what helps with turbellarians? Can it be mixed with the cupramine and prazipro?

 

[Peepers]

While Cupramine is a bit harsher than coppersafe or copper power, it should not cause the fish to stop feeding. Ammonia is being managed to below 0.25 ppm?

When I see black spots on a foxface, I consider turbellarians (black ich). In your fish, the spots are mostly larger and more diffuse-looking. However, that doesn't mean there aren't turbellarians mixed in. Praziquantel helps with flukes, but not so much with turbellarians.

Jay

So what helps with turbellarians? Can it be mixed with the cupramine and prazipro?

While Cupramine is a bit harsher than coppersafe or copper power, it should not cause the fish to stop feeding. Ammonia is being managed to below 0.25 ppm?

When I see black spots on a foxface, I consider turbellarians (black ich). In your fish, the spots are mostly larger and more diffuse-looking. However, that doesn't mean there aren't turbellarians mixed in. Praziquantel helps with flukes, but not so much with turbellarians.

Jay

So it looks like prazipro in a quick search says it helps with black ich. Is there something better?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

So it looks like prazipro in a quick search says it helps with black ich. Is there something better?

Prazi works by causing flukes to go into shock and they let go of the fish. They then can’t get back onto the fish and die. The turbellarian worms are in cysts, so they don’t drop off when hit with prazi. Formalin or Dylox works, but both are toxic to people. FW dips and moving the fish to a new tank to break the life cycle works.
As I said though, I think there are multiple issues - turbellarians don’t cause a fish to stop feeding.
Jay

 

[Peepers]

Prazi works by causing flukes to go into shock and they let go of the fish. They then can’t get back onto the fish and die. The turbellarian worms are in cysts, so they don’t drop off when hit with prazi. Formalin or Dylox works, but both are toxic to people. FW dips and moving the fish to a new tank to break the life cycle works.
As I said though, I think there are multiple issues - turbellarians don’t cause a fish to stop feeding.
Jay

So, things have been going pretty good. My foxface is finally swimming about and I can hardly see any of the dark spots on him. He's still not colored up quite like normal and a little pale but figured this is just him being leary. My question is my cupramine level has fallen to .4 and I was wondering how to bring it up a bit? I was going to do a water change and just add water dosed to .5 but is there an easier way to do it? I don't want to stress anything out if I don't have to.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

So, things have been going pretty good. My foxface is finally swimming about and I can hardly see any of the dark spots on him. He's still not colored up quite like normal and a little pale but figured this is just him being leary. My question is my cupramine level has fallen to .4 and I was wondering how to bring it up a bit? I was going to do a water change and just add water dosed to .5 but is there an easier way to do it? I don't want to stress anything out if I don't have to.

If you are confident that your test is reading 0.4 exactly, you can bring the Cupramine dose up to full by simply adding a 20% dose. 0.4 is 80% of 0.5 - but you also must know the exact volume of your tank.

However, if you are not using an accurate test, like the Hanna, it is safer to do water changes with a calculated 100% dose for that volume. That way, you can edge back up to a full dose without any possibility of overshooting it.

Jay

 

[Peepers]

If you are confident that your test is reading 0.4 exactly, you can bring the Cupramine dose up to full by simply adding a 20% dose. 0.4 is 80% of 0.5 - but you also must know the exact volume of your tank.

However, if you are not using an accurate test, like the Hanna, it is safer to do water changes with a calculated 100% dose for that volume. That way, you can edge back up to a full dose without any possibility of overshooting it.

Jay

Thank you for all of your help as I go through this. Your advice has been an invaluable resource that I greatly appreciate. Here is some before and afters of the fish you helped save!

 

[LAReefer4Life]

Amazing, so glad things are on the up and up!

 

[Peepers]

If you are confident that your test is reading 0.4 exactly, you can bring the Cupramine dose up to full by simply adding a 20% dose. 0.4 is 80% of 0.5 - but you also must know the exact volume of your tank.

However, if you are not using an accurate test, like the Hanna, it is safer to do water changes with a calculated 100% dose for that volume. That way, you can edge back up to a full dose without any possibility of overshooting it.

Jay

Wow, sorry to bother you again but I just noticed today one of my clowns seem to have Popeye. Can't get a great pic but will post some. Any ideas???

 

[Peepers]

If you are confident that your test is reading 0.4 exactly, you can bring the Cupramine dose up to full by simply adding a 20% dose. 0.4 is 80% of 0.5 - but you also must know the exact volume of your tank.

However, if you are not using an accurate test, like the Hanna, it is safer to do water changes with a calculated 100% dose for that volume. That way, you can edge back up to a full dose without any possibility of overshooting it.

Jay

He is not eating today and kinda lethargic. He was just fine yesterday just to let you know some other symptoms. The eye does not appear to be cloudy.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

He is not eating today and kinda lethargic. He was just fine yesterday just to let you know some other symptoms. The eye does not appear to be cloudy.

Is it just one eye or both?
Can you get a better picture or perhaps a short video?
Jay

 

[Peepers]

Is it just one eye or both?
Can you get a better picture or perhaps a short video?
Jay

It's just one eye. I can try to get a better shot later.

 

[Peepers]

It's just one eye. I can try to get a better shot later.

Ugh

Is it just one eye or both?
Can you get a better picture or perhaps a short video?
Jay

He's lying on his side on bottom of tank this morning.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Ugh

He's lying on his side on bottom of tank this morning.

Eye infections/damage won't cause that, so something else is also going on. Is the fish breathing rapidly?

Jay

 

[Peepers]

Eye infections/damage won't cause that, so something else is also going on. Is the fish breathing rapidly?

Jay

It looks like he is yes. Sorry about the quality of pic.

 

[Peepers]

Eye infections/damage won't cause that, so something else is also going on. Is the fish breathing rapidly?

Jay

I did notice he also had some stringy poop. It was brown but stringy. I have some metro. I was wondering if I should dose it in water column? Would it react with the cupramine? I have also doed one dose of prazipro, but that was like almost two weeks ago.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I did notice he also had some stringy poop. It was brown but stringy. I have some metro. I was wondering if I should dose it in water column? Would it react with the cupramine? I have also doed one dose of prazipro, but that was like almost two weeks ago.

Brown stringy feces are not usually a bad sign. If it is n full Cupramine, I would not dose metro in the water. You could run a second dose of prazi, that helps break the life cycle of any flukes.
I’d really like a better view, can you post a short video under white light?
Jay

 

[Peepers]

Brown stringy feces are not usually a bad sign. If it is n full Cupramine, I would not dose metro in the water. You could run a second dose of prazi, that helps break the life cycle of any flukes.
I’d really like a better view, can you post a short video under white light?
Jay

I will try to when I get home.