Hey, Acro Heads here's a head scratcher

[saltyfilmfolks]

I hope Boom has enough beer.
We know he's got coral

 

[BoomCorals]

I hope Boom has enough beer.
We know he's got coral

There’s always beer

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

There’s always beer

I love a professional.

 

[Krzydmnd]

There’s always beer

Do you trade for beer? I own a brewery, I'm sure we could figure something out. [emoji6]

 

[Crabs McJones]

I hope Boom has enough beer.

this is Wisconsin after all

 

[tutmatt3]

Funny enough i have a tort piece that was tiny, but i decided to keep it. About 1cm single branch base. I glued it on the side of my rock structure, facing the wall, welll away from the light. Getting 20-50par, if that. Measured before

This lil ****.. has long branches, growing way faster than any of my sps including birdsnest

It also has the most gorgeous deep neon color that everything else in the tank doesn't have.
The only other noticeable difference is that it barely encrusted while everything else is still encrusting. I thought that maybe had to do with possibly low-flow in the area being so far from everything else, but who knowwws.


Makes me want to turn lights low! Lol
It also has the most dominant polyp extension during the day. I guess being in so little light it's trying hard to reach it maybe

 

[meir]

yea yea yea , in low , the bra is stinging it , it's brown , bla bla bla

It's supposed to be a Miami orchid. Brown with light brownish lavender pinkntips. I got those. Its a brown coral. Was cheap, one of my training acros. It. has completely taken off and tabled despite my abuse.

Here's the head scratcher. I moved it recently to this spot , it growing well and is annoying to my clown fish. Perfect.

Here's the thing , some of the new growth is .... in the shade.

The long tips under the main colony are all new growth.

So I have the same kind of coral but I’m not sure what kind they are, I looked up Miami orchid and it looks very different from either of ours. If you have a specific id that wld be awesome

 

[Dana Riddle]

Here's a tiny bit of an article I wrote years ago describing Symbiodinium Clade C3. Reported to a depth of almost 300 feet, it is obviously tolerant of low light. The myth-information that Acros require a lot of light just won't go away. I think that was the article that had photos of deep water Acropora specimens provided by Dr. "Deetsie" Chave, then with the Hawaiian Underwater Research Lab (HURL.)
C3

• Reported Depth Range: 0-90 meters (0-294 feet)
• Reported Geographical Range: Bahamas, Belize, Okinawa, Taiwan, Great Barrier Reef, Hawai'i, NW Hawaiian Islands, Mexican Caribbean, U.S. Virgin Islands, and Kenya.
• Host Species: This clade is a pandemic generalist zooxanthella, reports seem to indicate this clade is remarkably adaptable over a bathymetric range of 0.3 - 90m (1-294 feet deep, and perhaps even deeper), and it is generally assumed to be adapted to deeper water environments. LaJeunesse, 2002 reports that C3 - along with C3a - were dominant in those corals situated deeper than 5m in waters of the Yucatan (Mexico). Clade C3 (along with C1, C21, C3d, C1c and C45) is believed to be an ancestral type from which other clades evolved (LaJeunesse, 2004). Those corals infected with Clade C3 include Acanthastrea and Acropora (1.0- 90m, LaJeunesse et. al., 2003), Acropora abretinoides, Acropora aculeus (GBR, Van Oppen, 2001), Acropora cuneata (Lord Howe Island, GBR; Wicks et al., 2010), Acropora digitifera, Acropora gemmifera, Acropora glauca, Acropora humilis (Taiwan, 3-5m, Chen, 2005), Acropora hyacinthus (two locations in Taiwan, ranging in depths of 3-10m, Chen, 2005), Acropora intermedia (two locations in Taiwan, ranging in depths of 3-10m, Chen, 2005), Acropora latistella (8-10m, Taiwan, Chen, 2005), Acropora latistella (Van Oppen, 2005), Acropora millepora (GBR, Van Oppen, 2001), Acropora muricata (formosa) (1.0-5.0, Taiwan, Chen, 2005), Acropora palifera (Taiwan, 0-3.0m, Chen, 2005), Acropora pulchra (Taiwan, 5-8m, Chen, 2005), Acropora tenuis (Chen, 2005; Taiwan, 5-8m), Acropora valida (Chen, 2005, Taiwan, 5-8m), Acropora valida (Van Oppen, 2001), Acropora yongei (Chen 2005, Taiwan, 3-5m), Acropora yongei (Solomon Islands), the Hawaiian anemone Boloceroides mcmurrichi, Caulastrea, Cyphastrea, Cyphastrea serailia, Diploastrea, Discosoma sp. (Smith et al., 2009), Echinopora, Caribbean Erythropodia, Favia, Favites (LaJeunesse, 2003), Favites abdita, Galaxea fascicularis (Taiwan, 3-5m, Chen, 2005), Goniastrea sp., Goniastrea favulus, Atlantic Gorgonia, Hydnophora pilosa, the Pacific soft coral Isis, Caribbean Isophyllastrea, Pacific Leptoria, Leptoseris (known to inhabit depths of 90m and more), Lobophyllia, Merulina, Atlantic and Pacific Montastraea (Warner et al., 2006), Montastrea curta, Hawaiian Montipora captitata (Stat et al., 2015), Atlantic and Hawaiian Palythoa spp. (LaJeunesse et al., 2003; LaJeunesse, 2004), Platygyra (LaJeunesse et al., 2003), Hawaiian Pocillopora meandrina (Stat et al., 2015), Kenyan Porites cylindrica (Visram and Douglas, 2006), Porites heronensis, Seriatopora (LaJeunesse et al., 2003), Seriatopora hystrix, Siderastrea (Caribbean, LaJeunesse et al., 2003), Siderastrea intersepta (Belize, 8-25m, Warner, 2006), Siderastrea siderea (Belize, 2-25m, Warner, 2006), New Zealand Sinularia, Caribbean Stephanocoenia, Pacific Symphyllia, Turbinaria frondens (New Zealand; Wicks et al., 2010b), and Caribbean Viatrix (LaJeunesse et al., 2003).

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Funny enough i have a tort piece that was tiny, but i decided to keep it. About 1cm single branch base. I glued it on the side of my rock structure, facing the wall, welll away from the light. Getting 20-50par, if that. Measured before

This lil ****.. has long branches, growing way faster than any of my sps including birdsnest

It also has the most gorgeous deep neon color that everything else in the tank doesn't have.
The only other noticeable difference is that it barely encrusted while everything else is still encrusting. I thought that maybe had to do with possibly low-flow in the area being so far from everything else, but who knowwws.


Makes me want to turn lights low! Lol
It also has the most dominant polyp extension during the day. I guess being in so little light it's trying hard to reach it maybe

I have this in the other tank too, the PE is so massive you'd think it was totally Different coral.

So I have the same kind of coral but I’m not sure what kind they are, I looked up Miami orchid and it looks very different from either of ours. If you have a specific id that wld be awesome

I got this one From a LFS here , one of first starter acros. It was as long as my hand and bigger around than my thumb. (Newb score !)

From the way it grew there in the LSF Display , I though it was a stag horn. In their display it had grown thick in several long branches , and had arched up and over the tank getting the highest light.

An other oddity, as now clearly it's beginning to table.
And making ID even harder.
Lol.

I put this half of the coral down here As an experiment in flow kinda (more coral torture), but mostly I was clearing space for more interesting colored acros.


I did not realize my "training acro" would so actively be training me.

 

[iemsparticus]

I have this in the other tank too, the PE is so massive you'd think it was totally Different coral.


I got this one From a LFS here , one of first starter acros. It was as long as my hand and bigger around than my thumb. (Newb score !)

From the way it grew there in the LSF Display , I though it was a stag horn. In their display it had grown thick in several long branches , and had arched up and over the tank getting the highest light.

An other oddity, as now clearly it's beginning to table.
And making ID even harder.
Lol.

I put this half of the coral down here As an experiment in flow kinda (more coral torture), but mostly I was clearing space for more interesting colored acros.


I did not realize my "training acro" would so actively be training me.

I wonder if it isn’t some sort of efflo?

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Here's a tiny bit of an article I wrote years ago describing Symbiodinium Clade C3. Reported to a depth of almost 300 feet, it is obviously tolerant of low light. The myth-information that Acros require a lot of light just won't go away. I think that was the article that had photos of deep water Acropora specimens provided by Dr. "Deetsie" Chave, then with the Hawaiian Underwater Research Lab (HURL.)
C3

• Reported Depth Range: 0-90 meters (0-294 feet)
• Reported Geographical Range: Bahamas, Belize, Okinawa, Taiwan, Great Barrier Reef, Hawai'i, NW Hawaiian Islands, Mexican Caribbean, U.S. Virgin Islands, and Kenya.
• Host Species: This clade is a pandemic generalist zooxanthella, reports seem to indicate this clade is remarkably adaptable over a bathymetric range of 0.3 - 90m (1-294 feet deep, and perhaps even deeper), and it is generally assumed to be adapted to deeper water environments. LaJeunesse, 2002 reports that C3 - along with C3a - were dominant in those corals situated deeper than 5m in waters of the Yucatan (Mexico). Clade C3 (along with C1, C21, C3d, C1c and C45) is believed to be an ancestral type from which other clades evolved (LaJeunesse, 2004). Those corals infected with Clade C3 include Acanthastrea and Acropora (1.0- 90m, LaJeunesse et. al., 2003), Acropora abretinoides, Acropora aculeus (GBR, Van Oppen, 2001), Acropora cuneata (Lord Howe Island, GBR; Wicks et al., 2010), Acropora digitifera, Acropora gemmifera, Acropora glauca, Acropora humilis (Taiwan, 3-5m, Chen, 2005), Acropora hyacinthus (two locations in Taiwan, ranging in depths of 3-10m, Chen, 2005), Acropora intermedia (two locations in Taiwan, ranging in depths of 3-10m, Chen, 2005), Acropora latistella (8-10m, Taiwan, Chen, 2005), Acropora latistella (Van Oppen, 2005), Acropora millepora (GBR, Van Oppen, 2001), Acropora muricata (formosa) (1.0-5.0, Taiwan, Chen, 2005), Acropora palifera (Taiwan, 0-3.0m, Chen, 2005), Acropora pulchra (Taiwan, 5-8m, Chen, 2005), Acropora tenuis (Chen, 2005; Taiwan, 5-8m), Acropora valida (Chen, 2005, Taiwan, 5-8m), Acropora valida (Van Oppen, 2001), Acropora yongei (Chen 2005, Taiwan, 3-5m), Acropora yongei (Solomon Islands), the Hawaiian anemone Boloceroides mcmurrichi, Caulastrea, Cyphastrea, Cyphastrea serailia, Diploastrea, Discosoma sp. (Smith et al., 2009), Echinopora, Caribbean Erythropodia, Favia, Favites (LaJeunesse, 2003), Favites abdita, Galaxea fascicularis (Taiwan, 3-5m, Chen, 2005), Goniastrea sp., Goniastrea favulus, Atlantic Gorgonia, Hydnophora pilosa, the Pacific soft coral Isis, Caribbean Isophyllastrea, Pacific Leptoria, Leptoseris (known to inhabit depths of 90m and more), Lobophyllia, Merulina, Atlantic and Pacific Montastraea (Warner et al., 2006), Montastrea curta, Hawaiian Montipora captitata (Stat et al., 2015), Atlantic and Hawaiian Palythoa spp. (LaJeunesse et al., 2003; LaJeunesse, 2004), Platygyra (LaJeunesse et al., 2003), Hawaiian Pocillopora meandrina (Stat et al., 2015), Kenyan Porites cylindrica (Visram and Douglas, 2006), Porites heronensis, Seriatopora (LaJeunesse et al., 2003), Seriatopora hystrix, Siderastrea (Caribbean, LaJeunesse et al., 2003), Siderastrea intersepta (Belize, 8-25m, Warner, 2006), Siderastrea siderea (Belize, 2-25m, Warner, 2006), New Zealand Sinularia, Caribbean Stephanocoenia, Pacific Symphyllia, Turbinaria frondens (New Zealand; Wicks et al., 2010b), and Caribbean Viatrix (LaJeunesse et al., 2003).

Thanks Dana.

Would acopora of these lower light clades be as adaptable as those in the higher light clades? Or apperanly adaptable? At the LFS display it was flourishing at the top of tank in the highest light, I do have a rough idea of the par they run.


Funny story , this was the lfs I Nearly got tossed out of years ago when I first started Reefing and I asked how much light do I need.
I was told "it's complicated , you might not understand."

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

I wonder if it isn’t some sort of efflo?

I'll look thanks.
At the lfs and in my tank initially it had the color and shape of the orchid. It's been so long now I honestly don't rember if I asked back then. It's been probably 3-4 years.

Yes young readers, I've been waiting 3-4 years for this stuff to happen. On day last year it was like a switch went on and my acros just started to grow.
I wasn't dosing , was using actual seawater and was rehabbing the tank from stupid high Po4 and had sheets and sheets of Cyano.

 

[iemsparticus]

I was told "it's complicated , you might not understand."

Hear: “It’s complicated, we don’t quite understand.”

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Hear: “It’s complicated, we don’t quite understand.”

Hahahaha.
It took a couple years for me to make the translation.

 

[Dana Riddle]

If you meet someone who claims to know it all about zooxanthellae photosynthesis, please direct them to me. I have lots of questions. ;Bookworm I recall the very first PAM fluorometer test I was associated with. A friend and I talked Dr. Miguel Oliazola to bring his PAM meter down to the Explorations Academy in Kona, where we were growing corals. Now, Miguel co-authored papers in peer-reviewed literature describing the xanthophyll cycle in terrestrial plants. But he knew very little about corals, and it was obvious that he felt this whole exercise was a total waste of time. We set up the experiment and he instructed the instrument to measure dark-adapted yield. In his mind, it would be 'zero', he could say 'I told you so', and could go home. But the yield wasn't zero (as I and my friend knew it wouldn't be) and I'll never forget him gasping and then whispering "Son of a *****!" Miguel was a heck of a guy, and he always had time for me when I would show up at his office with some of my really stupid questions. But he was so patient with me, and I owe him a debt of gratitude. I eventually purchased a PAM fluorometer for my lab. I now have two.
Now to answer your question. Some zooxanthellate clades are 'weedy', highly adaptable to any reasonable light intensity, and are called 'generalists.' Others are opportunistic and establish themselves when conditions are correct for them to thrive, only to disappear when things return to normal. Still others are 'specialists' and thrive in very narrow ranges. A good example is the clade found in Pocillopora molokensis. It hates high light, as does the clade found in Montipora capitata. Others are highly tolerant of light (C1 and C3 are generalists. Remember that 'tolerant' doesn't necessarily mean 'prefers.') The C15 clade found in Pacific Porites can thrive in isolated tide pools in Hawaii where they suffer from temperature extremes, high light, and UV. A refreshing discovery is that of Symbiodinium thermophilum - it can survive in hot water. So, terrestrial gardeners know there are 'sun' and 'shade' plants, and no amount of trickery can change that. Same with zoox.

 

[reeferfoxx]

Salty, did you ever get this resolved?

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Salty, did you ever get this resolved?

Umm no. Not really. It’s still growing great.
I got a seney for Xmas. But there’s no way to get it in there.
I took these just now. They are horrible.

 

[reeferfoxx]

Umm no. Not really. It’s still growing great.
I got a seney for Xmas. But there’s no way to get it in there.
I took these just now. They are horrible.

That's great about the seneye! Is the brown snot still growing or the acro? And is that STN underneath I'm seeing?

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

That's great about the seneye! Is the brown snot still growing or the acro? And is that STN underneath I'm seeing?

The snot on the top was the Anemonae sitting on it. Lol.

The tissue loss is actually the only normal thing about it. It’s literally an inch from the glass, under a nem, in a corner , 3in from the bottom of the tank. So I kinda expected the whole bottom to do that. I suppose it’s getting some light from the yellow lepto??

But it would be yellow light Light. Lol.

And yea it’s kinda neat. I haven’t gotten it wet yet, just numbers from the top.
And I haven’t been able to get it to stop blinking either. Hahaha.

 

[reeferfoxx]

The snot on the top was the Anemonae sitting on it. Lol.

Lol! Ya I can see that lol

And I haven’t been able to get it to stop blinking either. Hahaha.

It's because it's out of water lol! ;Hilarious