I have a feeling I know what it is - but I’d like to ask just to make sure

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  1. LeonThePeon

    LeonThePeon Well-Known Member

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    At first, I thought I was dealing with Black Ich - but the last pic was in a FW dip and the white spots on the fin look more like Ich.

    I put in some new rocks last Friday (9/15) in the area where the Hippo tang usually hung around. I guess that stressed it out? Argh!

    I’ve got the remaining fishes with it in QT - but with my schedule - I don’t know if I can keep up a Copper regimen as we’ll be gone for weeks at a time the next coming month.

    Thoughts?

    I think I see saw some very small specs on the coral beauty; nothing on my clownfishes
     
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    Could be black spot but I've never really had any experience of it. I'm guessing the stress could have caused normal ich to break out too? Hopefully one of the more knowledgeable members will be along soon.

    I was tearing my fish for ich and couldn't do the copper as I was going to be away from home so I went with Chloroquine Phosphate.
     
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    He's definitely got black ich, which is easily treated with prazipro, two doses 7 days apart. Based on the fins I suspect he has either ich or velvet as well, in not certain on that. Is he showing any odd behaviors such as heavy breathing, swimming into the flow of a powerhead, excessive hiding? Are any of your other fish showing those signs?
     
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    If that rock came from another tank - or even the ocean - it's very possible that ich had encysted on the rock. It's not necessarily that the tang was stressed, but parasites may have been introduced on the rock.

    ~Bruce
     
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    I agree. he has black ich along with something else... either ich or velvet. Do you have any local friends in the hobby who could keep an eye on the copper levels and take care of them for you?
     
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    Dry rock from Reef Cleaners that I bought back in April - soaked it in RODI for a few months - and sat out for a few more months till last week. I hope it wasn’t from that.
     
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    Unfortunately, I don’t know anybody that could keep the regimen around me.

    I remember with copper, I had to water change and add more Cu every 2 Days. This time, the QT tank is cycled water (not from DT - but been running for months now). Would I have to change less?

    Is Chloroquine Phosphate less maintenance on water changes? Not even sure where to get it. Is Ick Sheild Poweder the same?
     
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    Some update pics just now:
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    And of Coral Beauty
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    Nothing on Clownfishes yet
     
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    Is Prazipro safe in conjunction with Cu or CP treatments?
     
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    Copper yes, CP no.
     
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    To add to that, hippo tangs do not tolerate CP well.
     
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    I could try TTM - but I won't be able to make the 2nd transfer within 3 days. Would I be able to just do TTM longer? And at least there's some relief in the meantime? With my schedule - I could do:

    Sept 24 @9p - Got the gang in the QT

    Sept 27 @9p - first Tank Transfer; or
    Sept 28 @ 11a

    Oct 2 @ 5p - Next available time for me to do a TT.

    I can do every 3 days after that until mid Oct.

    I'm guessing that's better than Copper for 30 days where I won't be able to monitor the same days in the beginning and pretty much none of the last 10 days or so?
     
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    @LeonThePeon TTM will work, provided you make a transfer every 72 hrs (or less) starting on Oct 2 for 13 consecutive days.

    However, you will need someone to watch out for ammonia and probably dose a reducer for the time period Sept 27/28 - Oct 2.
     
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    Will try - Maybe I'll get a 20G for Sept 27/28-Oct 2 just in case. Can I prep it with Prime ahead of time? Bacteria in a bottle?

    What a bust with seeding media. What good is that if your DT ends up with a disease? Shoo - I had 3 bags full read to go for upcoming events. Now I'm playing hospital instead :(
     
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    Prime will only bind ammonia for up to 48 hours. If ammonia is still present after that time frame, it gets released back into the water. :eek: So, you have to keep re-dosing Prime as needed. (The only way ammonia would not still be present after 48 hrs is if a working biofilter had converted it to nitrites/nitrates by then.)

    Also, Prime only "actively" binds ammonia for a 24-hour period. (And then continues to bind whatever it already has collected for up to 24 hrs after that - which is where the 48 hour total comes from.) However, if new ammonia is produced 24 hrs after first dosing then you must re-dose to bind that ammonia. Rinse & repeat this process every 24 hrs.

    ^^ Hopefully that all makes sense. :confused:
     
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    Where do you live at in case somebody is nearby that could help you out. I live in Kansas, and fortunately I’ve never had to deal with any illnesses yet (yes I’m knocking on wood as I type), so I’m not experienced enough to help you out. Do you live where there is somebody who works cleaning and taking care of SW tanks?
     
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    If your tank is already cycled then you shouldn't have to do water changes as often. You would still have to do them, but it would be on an as-needed basis. As long as you don't have any rock or other things that will absorb copper in the QT, then you should be good as long as you have somebody to do the occasional water change if needed and feed and top off the tank. Most people can handle that if you explain it to them.
     
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