i have a spiny box puffer in qt looks infested and copper in not working on him

[MinnieMouse2]

i have a uv let me find it i'm going to do hypo and uv see if something gets better i'll keep you guys updated. i can take the e puffer out of this qt to a different tanks see if that helps but i doubt ut since he's so infected

Let me know how it works out for you. We love our puffer. In fact, she is the center of the tank. I have reef clams and she has never touched them. She knows her food is clam on a half shell. They are also very smart. She can make sounds with her teeth.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

still, if you research no matter it is still a roll of the dice. Also this fish needs to get these things dead pretty quick. It has been in this copper for two months. It looks like it is going down fast.

The copper level wasn't at therapeutic levels, that's why the ich was able to progress.

Amine-bound copper products are fine with virtually all species of fish. Flashlight fish will lose their lights, and I don't like to treat seahorses and mandarins with copper, but that's about it. All of the "copper toxicity" you hear about is either misidentified, or related to copper sulfate/citric acid formulations - THOSE can be toxic.

I just want to ensure we have the most accurate fish disease info we can here....

Jay

 

[Reefcoloorado]

okay cool i found the uv how do i set it up never used it just had it laying around

 

[Reefcoloorado]

i have it plugged in the back first chamber how long do i keep it on it says 3 hours to 24 hours

 

[Reefcoloorado]

and it's right next to my heater is that going to be a problem

 

[Reefcoloorado]

thanks, i have the high range hanna checker coming tomorrow i might just try what you said i'm still lowing the salinity slowly hopefully this works out till tomorrow until i can get a accurate reading of the copper level i order the hanna yesterday and i went to every local fish store looking for one too with no luck. i'm at 1.020 right now

 

[Tamberav]

A 13 watt uv in a back chamber isn’t going to help parasites but the hypo should work.

 

[Reefcoloorado]

okay i'm almost done lowering the salinity every 3 hour i lower it i'm at 1.016 i'm going for 1.009 should that be enough he looks to still be looking bad like it it's getting worst to be 100 percent honest the lion fish and clown do she still looking good but the puffer not getting any better i'm thinking of getting him out of copper and just doing hypo in this other tank i have maby the copper not doing him good but it's working on the other 2 really confused about that

 

[Reefcoloorado]

should i do a fresh water dip then move to another tank

 

[Reefcoloorado]

i moved him to a another qt tank he's not stressed during the move but should i use a different medication i have cuparmine and jordan rid ich

 

[Reefcoloorado]

should i use the rid ick he's in hyposalinty now at 1.009 doesn't seem to be working out i don't want to wake up to him dead

 

[Jay Hemdal]

should i use the rid ick he's in hyposalinty now at 1.009 doesn't seem to be working out i don't want to wake up to him dead

I'm not sure I'm understanding this - you are running copper AND hyposalinity at the same time? That isn't a good idea, too difficult to manage the copper dose while you are changing so much water, it also adds extra stress. If you are just running hypo, it can take up to three days for it to start to show improvements, same as with copper. This three day lag time can cause fish loss. The problem is; if the ich/disease is advanced enough, the fish may not have three days of time left....that's just the nature of the beast.

Don't use Rid Ich at all, it has a poor track record for use in marine aquarium.

1.009 is the target specific gravity for hyposalinity, no lower than that though. Here is my article on hyposalinity:

Hyposalinity

Hyposalinity Jay Hemdal 2021 This term refers to a long-term bath treatment for marine fishes in which the salt content of the water is lowered and held below the point that certain parasites can survive. The salt level reached, and the time of the treatment are the two variables...

www.reef2reef.com

Jay

 

[threebuoys]

thanks, i have the high range hanna checker coming tomorrow i might just try what you said i'm still lowing the salinity slowly hopefully this works out till tomorrow until i can get a accurate reading of the copper level i order the hanna yesterday and i went to every local fish store looking for one too with no luck. i'm at 1.020 right now

i moved him to a another qt tank he's not stressed during the move but should i use a different medication i have cuparmine and jordan rid ich

Please follow Jay's advice and stick with it. You seem to be in a bit of panic at the moment, which I understand. But I think you are also a bit confused about the direction you want to take.

You indicated you were at 1.020 copper yesterday afternoon. I assume you were using either Copper Safe or Copper Power. DO NOT switch to cupramine at this point. It is an entirely different copper formulation with a much different target dosing concentration. If you choose to stick with copper safe or copper power, you should get the concentration into the 2.25 - 2.50 range to be effective.

You also indicated your salinity is at 1.009. As Jay indicated, using copper and hyposalinity simultaneously is a bad idea. However, if you are at 1.009, do not try to raise salinity quickly to normal levels or you will likely shock your fish. Raising salinity from 1.009 to 1.026 should be done over several days.

You should stick with one of these two methods and do not search for other products at this time. Many other products offered as a solution for saltwater ick have questionable track records and now is not the time to experiment.

 

[Reefcoloorado]

i got the hanna checker everyone he made it though the night but looks really bad his eyes are messed up i got it to therapeutic levels and stoped hypo salinity since i can't use both got it at 1.72 ppm hopefully it works it was a .8 ppm when i first tested thank god this came another day and he would of been dead i have a big problem his left eys looks realy bad anything i could do to help heal his eye woke up to his eye like this any help would be appreciated now dealing with something more serious he mush of injured himself and i see the ich coming off thank god

 

[Reefcoloorado]

help his eyes looks horrible he looks blind tbh how does this happens every one else looks good i need help asap this is not right his big eye is messed up help pls looks like it hurts

 

[Reefcoloorado]

i need help with my puffers eye i got it to therapeutic he should be fine i'm at 1.72 ppm should be perfect i already see the ich coming off in strings looks crazy but i'm his eye he looks to have lost it or something it shuck up i have him in 1.017 salinity i been raising it since yesterday since no one told me i couldn't use both till the last second so that was a bad ideas who ever had old me do to hypo when i was already doing copper kind of bad advice tbh

 

[vetteguy53081]

i need help with my puffers eye i got it to therapeutic he should be fine i'm at 1.72 ppm should be perfect i already see the ich coming off in strings looks crazy but i'm his eye he looks to have lost it or something it shuck up i have him in 1.017 salinity i been raising it since yesterday since no one told me i couldn't use both till the last second so that was a bad ideas who ever had old me do to hypo when i was already doing copper kind of bad advice tbh

The problem is mixing remedies and as indicated its either the hypo or copper- Not both. Likely, its in new water and ammonia may be elevated.
Treating eyes is a whole different ballpark and the question is which is first- ich or eye treatment.
The eyes require ethromyacin (maracyn 1) which I believe Can be administered in Hypo, but you need to remove the ich treatment if started with carbon and/or cuprisorb.
Take it slow as fish seems to be hanging on .

 

[Reefcoloorado]

damm it!! i can't treat the eye with any medication that i can use with the copper safe because the ick looks to be falling off i see big strings stuff just falling off he looks to be more active now pretty sure he's ganna get his appetite back hopefully but the copper is working on the ick i can't stop using coppper or the ick would come back and i just got it at therapeutic i'm going to treat the ick first maby that why he injured his eye maby was scratching because of the ick but if you know any medication i can use with this copper pls let me know he ganna die if i stop using copper he's not in hypo any more it's at 1.017 almost back to normal i been doing it slowly all night and day there was no shock in none of the fish i'm going to take it slow now i'm getting the salinity up but everything seems normal except for his eye looks really bad but he's just ganan die if i leave him without therapeutic level of coppper this morning i thought he was already dead then i saw him move then i tested copper witch wwas to low at 0.8 ppm got it to 1.72ppm witch is perfect and he's looks ten times better just his eye not so any thinks looks to be pop eye or it looks to be really blurry like foggy in both eye one looks likes it's poping out while the other eye looks to have shrunk up if ihe was in shock he would be dead by now looks to be very active so i don't think it was from raising the salinity but who knows.

 

[Reefcoloorado]

more pictures you can see the strings stuff falling off pretty sure it's ick just so much of it it's looks strings crazy stuff poor guy

 

[Jay Hemdal]

i need help with my puffers eye i got it to therapeutic he should be fine i'm at 1.72 ppm should be perfect i already see the ich coming off in strings looks crazy but i'm his eye he looks to have lost it or something it shuck up i have him in 1.017 salinity i been raising it since yesterday since no one told me i couldn't use both till the last second so that was a bad ideas who ever had old me do to hypo when i was already doing copper kind of bad advice tbh

Copper Power full dose is 2.0 (and some people find they need to increase that to 2.5 in some cases). 1.72 is NOT a full dose. You need to bring it up to 2.0

The eye issues is what happens to boxfish that have had ich for awhile, that is just mucus.

Like I said, it takes three days to really turn the tide on ich with copper or hyposalinity, and to be honest, your puffer may not have that much time.

Fingers crossed!

Jay