I sent Tropic Marin K+ for ATI ICP RO/DI testing

[SomeHappyFish]

Cool thanks !

 

[Hans-Werner]

Tagging along to see what Mr @Hans-Werner will say

I've been dosing AFR and Kalkwasser along with K/A-. ICP came back normal last time.

Iron is too low. It should be half of the Mn concentration. Most likely precipitates have formed or it already was fine particulate/colloidal and it has been filtered out in sample preparation.

The other concentrations fit quite well to a 13 times dilution.

I mean, any competitor can do quite the same (or better). So today keeping "secrets" about trace elements makes only limited sense.

 

[Miami Reef]

I received a response from ATI:

In the freshwater method, most trace elements are only calibrated up to a concentration of 100-150 µg/l. Outside this range, the measurement results are less accurate. There is a risk that the trace element mixture diluted in osmosis water will contain significantly higher trace element concentrations.

In addition to inaccurate results, this test carries the risk of our device becoming contaminated for a longer period of time and then producing false positive signals in subsequent samples.

If it cannot be ensured that the trace element concentrations are within the calibrated measuring range, we do not want to measure this type of sample.

 

[Dibi]

From TP.

So you don't need 5 dosing pump to use original balling + A and K? Interesting.

 

[rtparty]

So you don't need 5 dosing pump to use original balling + A and K? Interesting.

No. You just need 3

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

So you don't need 5 dosing pump to use original balling + A and K? Interesting.

3 is adequate.

I give a recipe matching AFR here:

1000 mL Balling Part A + 46.7 mL Tropic Marin K+
1000 ml Balling Part B + 46.7 mL Tropic Marin A-
1000 mL Balling Part C

Tropic Marin Or Fauna Marin Balling Light

Good evening everyone!! :beaming-face-with-smiling-eyes: At the moment I'm using reeffactory balling but I'd like to try another one to compare. I'm thinking of tropic marin original balling (liquid), but I'm not sure, do you just replace it and add element A and K? Can these two elements, A and...

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[Dibi]

3 is adequate.

I give a recipe matching AFR here:

1000 mL Balling Part A + 46.7 mL Tropic Marin K+
1000 ml Balling Part B + 46.7 mL Tropic Marin A-
1000 mL Balling Part C

Tropic Marin Or Fauna Marin Balling Light

Good evening everyone!! :beaming-face-with-smiling-eyes: At the moment I'm using reeffactory balling but I'd like to try another one to compare. I'm thinking of tropic marin original balling (liquid), but I'm not sure, do you just replace it and add element A and K? Can these two elements, A and...

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1000 ml or 950ml? I am confuse. But it's very nice to know that I need only 3

 

[Hans-Werner]

1000 ml or 950ml? I am confuse. But it's very nice to know that I need only 3

If you take 950 ml and add 50 ml trace elements solution you end up with 1000 ml and have the concentration given for the product solutions. If you take 1000 ml and you add 50 ml trace element solution you will end up with 1050 ml and a slightly lower concentration.

 

[KStatefan]

1000 ml or 950ml? I am confuse. But it's very nice to know that I need only 3

I doubt you would be able to tell any difference between the two.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

1000 ml or 950ml? I am confuse. But it's very nice to know that I need only 3

The difference is trivial and unimportant. Use whichever you like. None are perfect offsets of trace element consumption.

I suspect Hans-Werner rounded the 47.6 up to 50, and I didn't subtract the 47.6 from the 1000 mL . A perfectly matching recipe based on the table of concentrations is 953.3 mL of Balling A or B and 47.6 mL of the TM A and K.

But I stress that the ratio of trace to alk and calcium will vary a lot tank to tank and there's nothing magic about that exact ratio.

 

[Hans-Werner]

When you proceed as described and take the same amount of Original Balling Components salts for 950 or 1000 ml and 50 ml of the trace elements solutions, even the ratios of dosed elements are the same. Only the concentrations differ a little bit which can be compensated by a 5 % higher dosage easily. But I doubt you will see any difference that would need an adjustment of dosage.

In practical terms you will adjust the dosage to achieve and hold the desired levels. It will not matter if 5 % more or less water is dosed.

 

[Big E]

People also ask

What are the ingredients in Duke's mayo?


No emulsifying agents other than eggs are allowed, so real mayonnaise does not contain any starches or gums. What are the ingredients found in Duke's Mayonnaise? Soybean oil, eggs, water, distilled and cider vinegar, salt, oleoresin paprika, natural flavors, calcium disodium EDTA added to protect flavor.


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This recipe was from the website and doesn’t represent any results from an ICP sample spike.

I did wonder if the ICP technician would ever run a sample of diluted mayonnaise through there machine?

There could be xanthan gum or another binder in the listed "natural flavors". There are other binders like beef gelatin but I suspect that it's not in Dukes as this would only make the mayo cost more.

 

[Dibi]

Can I increase the concentration of tropic marin balling? Let's say that instead of 200ml increase 1kh in my system (400 liters) I want to increase in only 50ml.... the same with Ca. Is there a problem to concentrate solutions? (Together with the A and K)

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Can I increase the concentration of tropic marin balling? Let's say that instead of 200ml increase 1kh in my system (400 liters) I want to increase in only 50ml.... the same with Ca. Is there a problem to concentrate solutions? (Together with the A and K)

The alk part of most two parts limits the concentration. You will not be able to make the alk part 4x potent.

 

[WhatCouldGoWrong71]

I added about 1 mL of Tropic Marin K+ and filled the remaining 14 mL tube with RO/DI water.

I sent it as the RO/DI test.

I don’t know if this is useful; I was curious and didn’t need to test my freshwater because it always comes back clean.

Edit: looking back at my ICP history with OCEAMO, my RO/DI comes out near perfect, but sometimes there could be some silicate. I would ignore the silicate reading in this test; it’s likely from the source water.


Taricha compared my result with Han’s stated recipe here:
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/i...r-ati-icp-ro-di-testing.1095943/post-13285701

@Miami Reef

 

[Hans-Werner]

Can I increase the concentration of tropic marin balling? Let's say that instead of 200ml increase 1kh in my system (400 liters) I want to increase in only 50ml.... the same with Ca. Is there a problem to concentrate solutions? (Together with the A and K)

It works for Part A and Part C, but not for Part B as Randy already rightly mentioned. Part B is close to saturation and will dissolve gradually harder when increasing concentration up to saturation.