Ich after copper power

[Cougnurse]

Hi all newbie here,

I had an ich out break in my DT, pulled all my fish out and put them in a QT. Treated them with 30 days of copper power maintaining it above 2.0 per Hanna checker. Added to this metroplex x4 weeks. Following this did 2 rounds of prazipro, 2nd dose was 7/5. My powder brown tang now has white spots on his fin looks like ich. He still has black spots like freckles on his body, thought it might be black ich but no changes with prazipro. No one else in the tank have symptoms at this time. Not sure what to do next... hyposalinity vs Chloroquine vs Continued observation vs ich management. Feeling a bit frustrated right now. Best pic I could get of black spots. Thank you!

 

[fishguy242]

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[vetteguy53081]

Pic is a little fuzzy. Are dots white or black?
Did you treat with copper power for full 30 days? If so, what level was copper and what copper test kit were you using?

 

[Cougnurse]

Pic is a little fuzzy. Are dots white or black?
Did you treat with copper power for full 30 days? If so, what level was copper and what copper test kit were you using?

 

[Cougnurse]

I used Hanna checker and kept levels between 2.25 and 2.45, had done 38 days. I was able to get a better pic of the issues this morning. 1st one is his black spots 2nd pic is the white spots on his fin.

 

[Cougnurse]

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Will try to get a video tonight.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

The black spots seem lined up, that isn't how black ich (Turbellarians) typically grow. Here is the funny thing - EVERYONE says use praziquantel on turbellarians, but it doesn't work! Prazi works by stunning flukes so they drop off the fish. It doesn't kill the flukes outright. Turbellarians live in cysts. They may be stunned by the prazi, but don't drop off. So how do you account for prazi seemingly work? Well, turbellarians are often self-limiting, they go away on their own.

Formalin dips and siphoning the bottom of the tank are a better treatment for turbellarians.

As for the white spots - I can't see them. While your protocol sounds good, there may have been some loss of biosecurity along the way. What I would do is watch the white spots - if they come and go every day or two, then it may well be ich. If they stay in one spot for more than 48 hours, it probably isn't ich.

Jay

 

[threebuoys]

The only white spot I can see is one on the pectoral fin. Are there more? If that's the only one, its too large for ich. Perhaps lympho?

 

[Cougnurse]

The only white spot I can see is one on the pectoral fin. Are there more? If that's the only one, its too large for ich. Perhaps lympho?

Yes it is just on that fin, last night it was small like a grain of salt this morning it was larger fuzzy appearance.

 

[Cougnurse]

The black spots seem lined up, that isn't how black ich (Turbellarians) typically grow. Here is the funny thing - EVERYONE says use praziquantel on turbellarians, but it doesn't work! Prazi works by stunning flukes so they drop off the fish. It doesn't kill the flukes outright. Turbellarians live in cysts. They may be stunned by the prazi, but don't drop off. So how do you account for prazi seemingly work? Well, turbellarians are often self-limiting, they go away on their own.

Formalin dips and siphoning the bottom of the tank are a better treatment for turbellarians.

As for the white spots - I can't see them. While your protocol sounds good, there may have been some loss of biosecurity along the way. What I would do is watch the white spots - if they come and go every day or two, then it may well be ich. If they stay in one spot for more than 48 hours, it probably isn't ich.

Jay

Thank you Jay for all the info!

 

[Cougnurse]

The black spots seem lined up, that isn't how black ich (Turbellarians) typically grow. Here is the funny thing - EVERYONE says use praziquantel on turbellarians, but it doesn't work! Prazi works by stunning flukes so they drop off the fish. It doesn't kill the flukes outright. Turbellarians live in cysts. They may be stunned by the prazi, but don't drop off. So how do you account for prazi seemingly work? Well, turbellarians are often self-limiting, they go away on their own.

Formalin dips and siphoning the bottom of the tank are a better treatment for turbellarians.

As for the white spots - I can't see them. While your protocol sounds good, there may have been some loss of biosecurity along the way. What I would do is watch the white spots - if they come and go every day or two, then it may well be ich. If they stay in one spot for more than 48 hours, it probably isn't ich.

Jay

Hi Jay, so the white spot fell off over 72 hours later. No recurrence yet and no one else sick. I would like to start adding my fish back to DT, its been empty for 81 days. Do you think it would be okay after a week of observation to add some of the fish back? I was going to observe the tang for another week, making it 2 weeks from when the spot first appeared. Or should I observe all fish for 2 weeks before adding?

 

[Joe31415]

FWIW, here's my HumbleFish thread from when I had ich (or whatever it ended up being) after copper.

Ich while in copper?

I have two clowns currently in my QT. I got them up to 2.5ppm with copper power on February 2 or 3rd (have to check to be sure), so nearly a month now. I regularly check it and it's always at or near 2.5 (may have dipped down to 2.39 once, but never anywhere near 2). They also had Metro/GC for...

humble.fish

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Hi Jay, so the white spot fell off over 72 hours later. No recurrence yet and no one else sick. I would like to start adding my fish back to DT, its been empty for 81 days. Do you think it would be okay after a week of observation to add some of the fish back? I was going to observe the tang for another week, making it 2 weeks from when the spot first appeared. Or should I observe all fish for 2 weeks before adding?

I prefer to wait a minimum of two weeks from when the symptoms went away. I’ll often wait longer if the issue was unknown. The only time I would move the fish out sooner would be if the QT is unstable, or they are fighting.
Jay

 

[LilsReefTank]

Hi all newbie here,

I had an ich out break in my DT, pulled all my fish out and put them in a QT. Treated them with 30 days of copper power maintaining it above 2.0 per Hanna checker. Added to this metroplex x4 weeks. Following this did 2 rounds of prazipro, 2nd dose was 7/5. My powder brown tang now has white spots on his fin looks like ich. He still has black spots like freckles on his body, thought it might be black ich but no changes with prazipro. No one else in the tank have symptoms at this time. Not sure what to do next... hyposalinity vs Chloroquine vs Continued observation vs ich management. Feeling a bit frustrated right now. Best pic I could get of black spots. Thank you!

I don't have any practical input but just wanted to say bless your heart.

I went thru a whole circus trying to get my fish medicated and healthy... just for the hippo tang to break out into something (flukes? black ich?) right after I put them all back in the display. I wanted to cry haha.

I put paracleanse in the DT and all seemed to have responded well since.

Best of luckkkkkk!!