ICH in 200G DT - Planning to Fallow for 80 days - questions...

[Dukereefnz]

A good catch tonight....
Seriously I caught 3 at one time....
Goby, tang and wrasse all at once.

2 wrasse
2 clown
2 cardinal
2 mandarin
To go

 

[Dukereefnz]

The ammonia badge went straight to green with the new salt water.
I added some from DT but made up fresh.

3 tangs have been in the QT tank 24hrs... the other 5 went in tonight.
Dosed seed and prime tonight ... will check CP level in an hour....

added a little food, they were not overly keen, more interested in hiding. But the wrasses and a tang did come out and grab a bit of food. Only adding a pinch at a time to make sure the food is eaten..

Added an ice cream container, half full for the wrasses.. they have not found it yet.

Should I test for ammonia ?

 

[Dukereefnz]

CP - level 2.12
Perfect.

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My last addition last night...

 

[Jay Hemdal]

The ammonia badge went straight to green with the new salt water.
I added some from DT but made up fresh.

3 tangs have been in the QT tank 24hrs... the other 5 went in tonight.
Dosed seed and prime tonight ... will check CP level in an hour....

added a little food, they were not overly keen, more interested in hiding. But the wrasses and a tang did come out and grab a bit of food. Only adding a pinch at a time to make sure the food is eaten..

Added an ice cream container, half full for the wrasses.. they have not found it yet.

Should I test for ammonia ?

Can you clarify for me: you said the ammonia badge turned green, and later you asked if you should test for ammonia? The green color indicates some ammonia present. What other ammonia test do you have available?

Don’t forget that copper power is going to add about 0.50 ppm ammonia to any test results for the first few days after dosing.

Jay

 

[Dukereefnz]

 

[Dukereefnz]

 

[Dukereefnz]

 

[Dukereefnz]

As the picture shows... Seachem test kit
Total Ammonia - low reading
Free Ammonia - zero reading
Seachem Badge - .05 ppm

To be honest I have no idea what to expect here, I am adding prime and crossing my fingers.
I have 50l of water ready to go.... not sure when to change it.

Your comment - Don’t forget that copper power is going to add about 0.50 ppm ammonia to any test results for the first few days after dosing - looks to be spot on.....

When should i change 50l / 13G of water?
Is a regular change - like every second day a good plan?
Or just use prime for now...?

thanks

Fish to catch for QT tank - try to catch these tonight.
that would be 3 days for some tangs... the first 3.

2 x clowns
1 x Cardinal
1 x rudy head wrasse
1 x 6 line wrasse

 

[Jay Hemdal]

As the picture shows... Seachem test kit
Total Ammonia - low reading
Free Ammonia - zero reading
Seachem Badge - .05 ppm

To be honest I have no idea what to expect here, I am adding prime and crossing my fingers.
I have 50l of water ready to go.... not sure when to change it.

Your comment - Don’t forget that copper power is going to add about 0.50 ppm ammonia to any test results for the first few days after dosing - looks to be spot on.....

When should i change 50l / 13G of water?
Is a regular change - like every second day a good plan?
Or just use prime for now...?

thanks

Fish to catch for QT tank - try to catch these tonight.
that would be 3 days for some tangs... the first 3.

2 x clowns
1 x Cardinal
1 x rudy head wrasse
1 x 6 line wrasse

I'm concerned about you using Prime. SeaChem says not to use it with their Cupramine, as it releases free copper. The chemistry of Copper Power and Coppersafe is different than Cupramine, but SeaChem is under no requirement to test Prime on other products. I hear "my fish died from copper treatment". I never use Prime with copper, and I never see these reported copper issues. What if this reported mortality is due to Prime breaking the Amine-Copper bond?

There is also this nagging opinion that Prime doesn't work very well. https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/does-prime-actually-detoxify-free-ammonia-nh3.849985/

I use Amquel with no issues.

Jay

 

[Dukereefnz]

Amquel - we can not get this in NZ, I can order it from the USA - take 10days to arrive and cost $70 USA for 3 8oz or $100NZ bottles... half the cost is freight.

If you think I should I will order these.
But I have read that prime and CP are ok... ?

PSA: PRIME safe to use with COPPER POWER

First, a few disclaimers: This only applies to using Seachem Prime with Copper Power. I have not tested any other ammonia reducers with any other forms of copper. Seachem, for example, states right on their website that it is dangerous to mix any ammonia reducer with their Cupramine copper...

humble.fish

 

[Dukereefnz]

Caught the clowns this morning... used a clear bowl and just scooped them up out of their anemone... wife could not believe it...

1 cardinal
2 wrasse
To go for big QT tank....

Then mandarins - I think these will be very hard to catch!

I will do a 50l water change tonight after work....

thanks

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Amquel - we can not get this in NZ, I can order it from the USA - take 10days to arrive and cost $70 USA for 3 8oz or $100NZ bottles... half the cost is freight.

If you think I should I will order these.
But I have read that prime and CP are ok... ?

PSA: PRIME safe to use with COPPER POWER

First, a few disclaimers: This only applies to using Seachem Prime with Copper Power. I have not tested any other ammonia reducers with any other forms of copper. Seachem, for example, states right on their website that it is dangerous to mix any ammonia reducer with their Cupramine copper...

humble.fish

Yes, I've seen that thread, but I still question it. Given that you can't get Amquel without a delay and great cost, I guess I'd go with it, (because it is a given that high ammonia will kill the fish) but I still maintain that the question remains open regarding using Prime with any amine based copper, and then, does Prime even de-toxify ammonia as effectively as Amquel does?


Don't forget that ammonia toxicity is highly correlated with the pH of the water. In many cases, you can reduce the toxicity of the ammonia by just keeping the pH lower. Marine fish can tolerate a pH as low as 7.5 for extended periods, and the ammonia is much less toxic at that pH as it is at, say 8.2 At the very least do NOT attempt to buffer the pH up in the QT unless it drops below 7.4

Jay

 

[Dukereefnz]

update -3 days since I started my QT.
220l / 58G tank.
the following to go...

1 x Ruby Head wrasse
1 x 6 line wrasse

have been dosing SEED (5 caps) twice a day and prime (1 cap) twice a day....
12 fish in my QT at the moment

Ammonia free & total - seachem test... i have two internal sponge filters added same day as fish.
promising will test again tomorrow

 

[Dukereefnz]

Total ammonia took ages ti show.... but better than before
Dend of day 3

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Total ammonia took ages ti show.... but better than before
Dend of day 3

What ammonia numbers does that equate to?

Jay

 

[Dukereefnz]

Monday morning... fish in QT tank day 5.
still 3 fish to catch...

1 x Red Head Wrasse... he is going in to the bottle trap so today.....I hope
1 x 6 line

I have 2 x manderin in a seperate tank
I am waiting to see them eat, they were eating frozen etc in the LFS when I purchased them.

Plan is to Quarantine them... some how??? Copper Power - start low and ramp up?
What do i do with the Mandarins?

Water of the large QT tank.

So this is what I have done...
12 fish in 58G tank
Copper Power @ 2.20 - Day 5 - will go back to zero,, still two fish to add.

Dosing Seed everyday, night and morning with some Bac 7
Dosing 1 x cap Prime night and Day....

Free ammonia is clear - no colour change on the yellow Seachem disc
Total ammonia is dropping to super low...0.01 - 0.02
Only done 1 small water change in 5 days...
Will test Nitrates... that will be through the roof I image ...

 

[Dukereefnz]

Ammonia disc after 20min

 

[Dukereefnz]

 

[Dukereefnz]

After 35min ... looking at 0.1 - 0.2 total ammonia @ zero free
The disc colour looks different in picture

 

[Dukereefnz]

The ammonia alert is at 0.05 - alert - which it was before adding CP...
So that has not changed.

Manderin tank is zero....yellow ... but no CP in there.