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As you can see my clownfish has ick. I’ve been treating him with this imagitarium parasite remedy. It seems like it is working well and I started treatments on Friday. In the video this morning he was acting a lot worse but as I’m typing this he’s acting just normal again. So I’m just reaching out about any better ick treatment or anything recommendations.


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Welcome to Reef2Reef!

That product is an herbal tonic, made from various tree oils. It does not seem to work for most people if their fish have active infections. The trouble is that there is such a strong market for "reef safe" medications, and there is no oversight to the market, that companies take liberties with a few studies out there and make up their own elixirs, and people buy them because they present an easier solution.

The two best marine ich treatments would be copper or hyposalinity. The tank transfer method can also work.

What often happens is that when Cryptocaryon/ich first starts up, the parasites are all more or less in unison, and so when they all drop off to reproduce, it SEEMS like the medication is working. However, then their daughter cells return and infect the fish, and they get spots again. Eventually, they become out of sync and the fish gets more and more spots and eventually dies.

That said, you clown may have other issues at the same time. What are the water quality tests running at?

Jay
 
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@livinlifeinBKK is correct. Herbal remedies just don't have what it takes to cure ich or velvet or brooklynella. I cannot enlarge the videos adequately to confirm your diagnosis.

If it is ich or velvet or brooklynella, you will need to follow the Quarentine Protocol link below.
 
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I really don't think there are any "herbal" treatments that will cure ich (that seems to be the general consensus among other members here as well)...copper or hyposalinity seem to be the only true treatments
Would this be better?
 

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Would this be better?
I believe CopperSafe is a good product... the copper medications that would really cure ich can't be dosed directly into your DT. You have to quarantine the fish to treat them and to actually get rid of ich in the tank once and for all you have to go fallow (I assume you have other inhabitants that wouldn't allow you to do hyposalinity in your DT)...Jay is the expert and if I were you I'd follow his advice
 
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Welcome to Reef2Reef!

That product is an herbal tonic, made from various tree oils. It does not seem to work for most people if their fish have active infections. The trouble is that there is such a strong market for "reef safe" medications, and there is no oversight to the market, that companies take liberties with a few studies out there and make up their own elixirs, and people buy them because they present an easier solution.

The two best marine ich treatments would be copper or hyposalinity. The tank transfer method can also work.

What often happens is that when Cryptocaryon/ich first starts up, the parasites are all more or less in unison, and so when they all drop off to reproduce, it SEEMS like the medication is working. However, then their daughter cells return and infect the fish, and they get spots again. Eventually, they become out of sync and the fish gets more and more spots and eventually dies.

That said, you clown may have other issues at the same time. What are the water quality tests running at?

Jay
Water quality is good I tested last night. Ammonia was at 0 as well as nitrites at 0
 
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I believe CopperSafe is a good product... the copper medications that would really cure ich can't be dosed directly into your DT. You have to quarantine the fish to treat them and to actually get rid of ich in the tank once and for all you have to go fallow (I assume you have other inhabitants that wouldn't allow you to do hyposalinity in your DT)...Jay is the expert and if I were you I'd follow his advice
I only have one clownfish at the moment. Would that be worth doing hypo salinity in my tank or would thank harm my fish more for the worse
 
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No inverts yet
It would be ideal to eradicate the ich from your tank if possible vs. managing it long term imo...clownfish can handle hyposalinity but for the correct protocol and to make sure it's effective the first time @Jay Hemdal is the guy you wanna talk to
 
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Welcome to Reef2Reef!

That product is an herbal tonic, made from various tree oils. It does not seem to work for most people if their fish have active infections. The trouble is that there is such a strong market for "reef safe" medications, and there is no oversight to the market, that companies take liberties with a few studies out there and make up their own elixirs, and people buy them because they present an easier solution.

The two best marine ich treatments would be copper or hyposalinity. The tank transfer method can also work.

What often happens is that when Cryptocaryon/ich first starts up, the parasites are all more or less in unison, and so when they all drop off to reproduce, it SEEMS like the medication is working. However, then their daughter cells return and infect the fish, and they get spots again. Eventually, they become out of sync and the fish gets more and more spots and eventually dies.

That said, you clown may have other issues at the same time. What are the water quality tests running at?

Jay
Would you recommend hypo or copper more. I do not have a QT tank that is cycled yet so would hypo be better
 
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In this case if there are no inverts in the dt, hypo will work. The problem with copper in the dt is that the rocks will absorb it, so it needs to be administered and in a separate tank. I would work on getting a qt set up though for future additions.
 
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In this case if there are no inverts in the dt, hypo will work. The problem with copper in the dt is that the rocks will absorb it, so it needs to be administered and in a separate tank. I would work on getting a qt set up though for future additions.
So what should I do to achieve a hyposalinity in my tank?
 
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Coppersafe will address ich and obviously to be performed in a quarantine setting for a Full 30 days at therapuetic level 2.25-2.5 monitored by a reliable copper test kit such as Hanna- No Api brand at 80 degrees
Also monitor ammonia level during treatment and optional but advised, , , increase aeration with an air stone
the tank the clowns are in will have to remain fishless (Fallow) for 45-60 days to assure the cycts and tromonts have gone through their life cycles without a host and die off
Hypo requires drop gradually in salinity and tank transfer method other option but Can stress fish - stick with the coppersafe
 
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Back to an earlier question, are you confident on your diagnosis, likewise, have other responders been able to see the fish clearly enough to diagnose? Of course, the preferred handling of any new fish is the quarantine with copper and prazi treatment. Since you have an active infection, just want to be sure it's accurately diagnosed and not brook which can target clowns.
 
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