- Dec 28, 2016
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I agree with a lot of what you say. But - its not entirely factual (IMHO).Hello all just wanted to say hi and ask opinions on if my cycle is finished? Here are my readings and a picture of my tank. I am on day 22. I have a 20 gallon long. 20 lbs of dry rock and 20 lbs of live sand. I just installed my protein skimmer and waiting for the micro bubbles to stop. I have a...www.reef2reef.com
This is to continue the logged examples of visual cycling tanks
where we do not factor stated test levels
we factor sight details from the picture, benthic standouts that always take longer to set in vs cycling bacteria/organisms
specifically, we dont need a DNA analysis or any testing to cycle up a reef, there are visual markers I've been back editing into this thread for two years. Message any entrant to see how things fared long term.
we dont even need the visual markers now, updated cycling science (the free stuff, where we're not bound to retail purchases or test kits or expenditures to know things about a reef) now knows that to set rocks in water and wait 30 days also cycles, its tested on seneye more than once now and API too.
So to reduce the factors I'll need to know over the next two years to keep filling this thread w work, all we need to know is the # of days the tank had water in it. if its 30 or close, you're cycled.
Results from long term thread examples:
-you CAN tell if a reef is cycled in almost all cases by seeing a picture of it. Most reefs we see here, or new reefs to come, will have easily seen biomarkers that indicate the presence of a complete cycle for waste control, and its infallible. We havent lost any new tanks to the method, its totally reliable. I can more accurately diagnose any reef cycle off pics than the api levels provided, and so can you.
-you do NOT have to undergo tedious testing to validate or confirm a cycle, because ALL reefs cycles will complete at max 30 days wait even if you've messed up the initial doses of ammonia, or even withheld it altogether
-The retail industry wants your cash; they make money off you doubting bacteria, water bacteria in water
-The cheapest easiest cycle that cannot fail is the unassisted cycle: add water and rocks to a system, swirl the water 30 days, all natural contaminants fed the system and inoculated it, and you're cycled, and nobody's cycle takes longer than 30 days. Not one example in here needed past 1/3 of that time, and most here collected are total skip cycle transfers.
If we do not have anyone studying updated cycling science rules, retail control and command will take over the hobby and write all the rules for procedure, which will always lead back to a purchase somehow, a doubt, in what water bacteria do in water. here is one of the few proofs we have on the unassisted cycle
isn't it amazing this info is missing from every single cycling article written in reefing?
read MSteven1's posts from this pageDid the online calc indicate to use one mil in the tank for your gallonagewww.reef2reef.com
also discovered: though we've been trained to doubt cycles/be concerned of stalling/buy reinforcements, its become clear that online there are no examples of a failed cycle. Anyone who put water in a square box completed the cycle. Proof? post up one single example of a failed, incomplete or stalled cycle. You'll be posting an example of a completed cycle but someone using red sea or api test kits. It will never, ever, ever be digital ammonia testing confirming the stall.
we've been given FALSE consequence worry in the hobby, and as a result we buy and click thousands of times to prevent a condition that does not occur. A non cycled tank can't carry delicate marine life, they w die
1. Take a 100 gallon tank.
2. Add Salt/water.
4. wait 30 days
5. Add 5 clown fish
You will likely have no problems (nor would you have problems if you added the 5 clowns on day 1)
1. Take the same tank, water, heat, filtration
2. Wait 30 days
3. Add 5 medium/large tangs.
My guess is that you will have problems with ammonia, etc at day 30. You would most certainly have problems if you added those fish on day 1. If you added 10 tangs you would have more problems, etc etc
In other words, it seems like you're making up a false narrative - that there is a binary event 'cycled' or 'not-cycled'. I do not believe this is the case, as part of it relates to bio load.
This has long been discussed/debated/etc. Back in the days when people took live rock from the ocean - then let it sit in tubs for weeks/months. Still measuring ammonia - and needing to do significant water changes as the 'stuff' inside and outside the rock died.
You have given lots of thread examples - and its appreciated. But - besides 'wanting to make money' - the reasons for cycling protocols are based on need. I agree totally with your general premise that many people over-obsess about this task. I also agree with you that its certainly possible to take a tank, rock, add some fritzyme and fish on the same day - without measuring a single parameter.