Is anyone with a mindstream or seneye ammonia reader willing to co-fund a cycling experiment with me

[CoralClasher]

What is the % ammonia contained does it say

Not sure on the %. Nothing on the bottle. Website directions 40 mg/ml

 

[CoralClasher]

Update after yesterday’s dose of 0.3ml ammonium chloride. Ammonia has gone down to 0.006 and still dropping.

 

[brandon429]

this was very helpful in our stuck ammonia studies Jon, well done.

 

[CoralClasher]

Update: ammonia has dropped back to 0.002. Unfortunately this fish in cycle experiment is over because I didn’t have a cover on the tank and he jumped out last night. Now I need to decide what direction to take this tank?

 

[brandon429]

well J its ok to part it out if needed. we have enough material to riff on like back to the future dance hall scene and I thank you vm

for sure this thread helped several folks already see their color kit ammonia test might be reading a bit too high, it allowed us to focus on other issues being able to exclude ammonia control a few mos after their tank had been cycled. its already helping

 

[CoralClasher]

well J its ok to part it out if needed. we have enough material to riff on like back to the future dance hall scene and I thank you vm

for sure this thread helped several folks already see their color kit ammonia test might be reading a bit too high, it allowed us to focus on other issues being able to exclude ammonia control a few mos after their tank had been cycled. its already helping

I’m not going to take it down yet. I’m thinking of two different experiments. One would be the no QT method and see if I can get some fish to spawn. Or use this tank to temporarily house fish while I rip clean my DT. Maybe both if I rip clean first?

 

[brandon429]

that is becoming a nice reef on its own, very clear all animals happy for sure.

that w be the 6th or 7th rip clean on the 120 how awesome is that. sometimes inside when a 15 gallon tank owner says its too much work I laugh a little

in fact I often just lead with your link before they mention excuses. to head them off, you could be dealing with a six footer sir.

 

[brandon429]

Jon I found one more known forum panic your arrangement could easily easily test when you make new water for a water change, any name brand is fine they have all been posted at one time or another by an api owner as mixing up to lethal ammonia levels. While smelling fine the whole time.


this: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/tropic-marin-pro-salt-6ppm-ammonia-fresh-mix.787042/#post-8688697


Randy and others have commented that organics in salt my lend some initial ammonia legitimately, I bet it is not tenths or whole ppm level as forum testers report. I bet it’s trace levels.


what does any given brand of salt mix up to regarding nh3 let’s say in the first ten mins or so of mixing? It’s ok we don’t have every brand to test, one as a baseline will do

nobody has ever reported any salt brand killing things when mixed, they’re all non lethal. Every brand of reef salt made. The reports are 1000% api half green readings.

if you find 2 ppm lol I promise not to back edit this post. Predictions are in place

If your machine and the way you interpret the slide preps says 2-I believe it.

* if common reef salt does mix to lethal ammonia levels then it’s not killing things due to bottle bac added with it in new tanks, or because adding it to existing reefs is simply dealt with quickly as we know reefs to do. If it breaks hundredths ppm on new salt I’ll be astonished.

 

[CoralClasher]

Jon I found one more known forum panic your arrangement could easily easily test when you make new water for a water change, any name brand is fine they have all been posted at one time or another by an api owner as mixing up to lethal ammonia levels. While smelling fine the whole time.


this: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/tropic-marin-pro-salt-6ppm-ammonia-fresh-mix.787042/#post-8688697


Randy and others have commented that organics in salt my lend some initial ammonia legitimately, I bet it is not tenths or whole ppm level as forum testers report. I bet it’s trace levels.


what does any given brand of salt mix up to regarding nh3 let’s say in the first ten mins or so of mixing? It’s ok we don’t have every brand to test, one as a baseline will do

nobody has ever reported any salt brand killing things when mixed, they’re all non lethal. Every brand of reef salt made. The reports are 1000% api half green readings.

if you find 2 ppm lol I promise not to back edit this post. Predictions are in place

If your machine and the way you interpret the slide preps says 2-I believe it.

* if common reef salt does mix to lethal ammonia levels then it’s not killing things due to bottle bac added with it in new tanks, or because adding it to existing reefs is simply dealt with quickly as we know reefs to do. If it breaks hundredths ppm on new salt I’ll be astonished.

I’ve already tested this a few times. When ever I thought I was getting a misread on the Seneye I would mix new saltwater and every time it was 0.001. Red Sea blue bucket and TM salt. I never let the unit sit in the new saltwater very long, just long enough to get it back to 0.001. Maybe the organic stuff in new saltwater takes time to produce ammonia?

 

[brandon429]

Nice. I can’t see how it could have a delay but that’s the only mechanism I can think of if it’s the case that nh3 rises.

 

[CoralClasher]

Little update: it’s been wet for about a month, no fish. This 20 gallon tank will run 0.001 ammonia all the time. I dose 0.2ml ammonium chloride after lights out and will get 0.007 reading. It takes about three hours for it hit 0.001.

 

[brandon429]

wonderful tuning and the system looks just great.

Jon we need a new benchmark: human smell limits

can you mix up .05 ppm ish, and .5 ppm ish of nh3 in clean water per that meter and sniff them lol, we want to know if people should be able to smell a crashing reef.

google says some humans can detect via olfaction down to hundredths ppm nh3 as a drinking water acquisition adaptation.

 

[CoralClasher]

wonderful tuning and the system looks just great.

Jon we need a new benchmark: human smell limits

can you mix up .05 ppm ish, and .5 ppm ish of nh3 in clean water per that meter and sniff them lol, we want to know if people should be able to smell a crashing reef.

google says some humans can detect via olfaction down to hundredths ppm nh3 as a drinking water acquisition adaptation.

Freshwater or saltwater? I’ve already brought this little tank up pretty high and never noticed any bad smells.

 

[brandon429]

I don't even know if it matters fw should be ok. we'd be curious to know a general breakpoint in levels you'd have to reach to smell it at all

this thread has many cycling dynamics within that'd be a funny + neat addition in my opinion.

nobody in reefing has benchmarked olfaction + crash detection let the record reflect, he he.

 

[CoralClasher]

I don't even know if it matters fw should be ok. we'd be curious to know a general breakpoint in levels you'd have to reach to smell it at all

this thread has many cycling dynamics within that'd be a funny + neat addition in my opinion.

nobody in reefing has benchmarked olfaction + crash detection let the record reflect, he he.

Hmm I might not be the guy for this experiment I’m a smoker and just opened the Dr. Tim’s ammonium chloride and cant smell it.

 

[brandon429]

that is excellent. we might have to retire the notion then a bit if a 60 ppm+ soln cannot be smelled that made me really laugh here at work.

 

[CoralClasher]

My DT is running 0.001 also. 1ml dose ammonium chloride 0.005 gone in 30 minutes. Question is should ammonia be considered a nutrient? I’m sure low ammonia is good but is 0.001 too low?

 

[brandon429]

We aren’t going to be able to control how the system oxidizes it we can just measure it after the fact. Any you add is going to keep trending to that equilibrium and the fish food and coral feed will handle things fine as they bring mixed nutrients

 

[TheShrimpNibbler]

My DT is running 0.001 also. 1ml dose ammonium chloride 0.005 gone in 30 minutes. Question is should ammonia be considered a nutrient? I’m sure low ammonia is good but is 0.001 too low?

This is an interesting idea that I hadn’t thought about. If it is true, then could dosing ammonia be beneficial to corals? Would that raise your nitrates?

 

[CoralClasher]

This is an interesting idea that I hadn’t thought about. If it is true, then could dosing ammonia be beneficial to corals? Would that raise your nitrates?

Good question. I’ve been dosing ammonium chloride for several months now, not very much 0.5-1ml few times a week. Two months ago I had to turn my refugium lights down because No3 went down to 1ppm. Now they are about 5ppm. I’ll try to keep track and update occasionally.