Is the 4 year tank, peak reefing?

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That whole “coast with minimal effort” thing leads me to believe it’s not just an age thing. I’m not saying you neglected your tank but, imo coasting is when stuff starts to die because you’re thinking it looks good and fine and you start to slack on maintenance. Not maintaining the tank the with same effort you once did can bring on a slow boil of change for the worse. The microbiome is living and always changing, IMO the microbiome also changes because of our maintenance schedules. By not maintaining it the same way on schedule the microbiome will try and cover for us Until it changes too much and bad stuff starts to take over.
This is a really good point. And it may have been what happened to my last tank at the 5 year mark. Things went bad. And quickly. I have to admit, I was in Coast Mode, as everything was going great. For years. I took things for granted and my livestock paid the price.
 

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We spend the first year screwing around with our tanks constantly, we'll put our hands in our tanks almost daily, do weekly water changes and freak out over a light patch of brown diatoms because it disrupts our perfectly clean sand and aquascape visually. As we approach year two we've dealt with most ugly algaes, pests and hopefully either avoided or won the battle against the dreaded dinos. Around this time our tanks built up the necessary microbiome and really found stability to where anything we throw in the tank can grow. We start noticing real progress the less we mess with it, we don't put our hands in the tank unless completely necessary. During this time any frags have become colonies and the next two years you kind of coast by running the tank on auto-pilot with minimal effort an is the time we really get to just enjoy our tanks.

This is what my tank looked like at around Year 3.
Year 3 of my Tank


Then something happens. you wake up with one colony rtn overnight and that becomes the start of a slow deterioration of your tank to the point where enough corals have died to where we have to do something about it. I always noticed that many people either do a major reboot of their tanks or the tank crashes around the 4-5 year mark for whatever reason. At minimum there is some major disruption that we really can't explain during this time and its nothing we can see on a ICP because lets be honest, 4 year old colonies aren't going to die because your nutrients are higher.

This is my tank at year 5-6.
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My best guess is there was some shift in the microbiome and I'm not talking about anything that comes in a bottle (Persoally I would never start another tank with any of that stuff anymore ) Losing all of my coral sucks but thats not going to stop me from restarting. This time around, I know exactly what to do if there is a problem or know if should do anything at all.

I know there are people who tanks that are 10-20 years old but sorry if this offends anyone but most people that claim to have a tank that old have never shown them or the ones I have seen don't look that great imo.

I would like to hear some experiences from those of you who had a similar experience at around year 4 or at least have a more advanced discussion on what we can do to keep our corals looking amazing longer.
My Reef is 27 years young, from my experience, everything eventually has a die off in our contained systems. When I grow to many mushrooms they tend to die off, while other corals thrive. Same for my sps. I started off growing large colonies of sps, when it died off I gave them up and went to softies and lps. Eventually they die off and I go to some other types of coral. I belive that you need to keep things trimmed down to keep them for the long run. I'm guessing that it's chemicals from the corals that builds up and creates a mass die off.
My system is 27 years old, Attached is a current picture. I just keep at it and now perfer a mixed reef. I just recently am starting to grow sps again.
 

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We spend the first year screwing around with our tanks constantly, we'll put our hands in our tanks almost daily, do weekly water changes and freak out over a light patch of brown diatoms because it disrupts our perfectly clean sand and aquascape visually. As we approach year two we've dealt with most ugly algaes, pests and hopefully either avoided or won the battle against the dreaded dinos. Around this time our tanks built up the necessary microbiome and really found stability to where anything we throw in the tank can grow. We start noticing real progress the less we mess with it, we don't put our hands in the tank unless completely necessary. During this time any frags have become colonies and the next two years you kind of coast by running the tank on auto-pilot with minimal effort an is the time we really get to just enjoy our tanks.

This is what my tank looked like at around Year 3.
Year 3 of my Tank


Then something happens. you wake up with one colony rtn overnight and that becomes the start of a slow deterioration of your tank to the point where enough corals have died to where we have to do something about it. I always noticed that many people either do a major reboot of their tanks or the tank crashes around the 4-5 year mark for whatever reason. At minimum there is some major disruption that we really can't explain during this time and its nothing we can see on a ICP because lets be honest, 4 year old colonies aren't going to die because your nutrients are higher.

This is my tank at year 5-6.
sJv5llR.jpg


My best guess is there was some shift in the microbiome and I'm not talking about anything that comes in a bottle (Persoally I would never start another tank with any of that stuff anymore ) Losing all of my coral sucks but thats not going to stop me from restarting. This time around, I know exactly what to do if there is a problem or know if should do anything at all.

I know there are people who tanks that are 10-20 years old but sorry if this offends anyone but most people that claim to have a tank that old have never shown them or the ones I have seen don't look that great imo.

I would like to hear some experiences from those of you who had a similar experience at around year 4 or at least have a more advanced discussion on what we can do to keep our corals looking amazing longer.
First off, the pic of your tank at 3-4yrs was AWSOME!!!
Don’t stop, never quit… I’ve had my 160gal doing well since 2006, but in that time I’ve had 2 stn events and another 90% crash. I believe that a successful reefer is a person that can overcome adversity and the challenges that we will ALL face over time… pick up the pieces and keep putting one foot in front of the other…

P.S. don’t throw away your old dead coral, I need it in my reactor…
 

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You guys made me worry! My 95% 159g SPS tank will be 4 years young next month. It’s on autopilot with a CaRx and no WC since day 1! I’ll keep pressing my luck for another 4 years. :)
 
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You guys made me worry! My 95% 159g SPS tank will be 4 years young next month. It’s on autopilot with a CaRx and no WC since day 1! I’ll keep pressing my luck for another 4 years. :)

Prune or add new powerheads for flow I'm sure will get you by.
 

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Prune or add new powerheads for flow I'm sure will get you by.
I don’t think It’s the number of years (old tank syndrome) but rather what has been built up over the years. Mine is a BB and lots of flow — I should clean out my sump and back area of tank more though. If I keep that clean, I think that it will go another 4+ years. My last one went 7 years without any issues.
 

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I know there are people who tanks that are 10-20 years old but sorry if this offends anyone but most people that claim to have a tank that old have never shown them or the ones I have seen don't look that great imo.
I am not sure why some tanks crash at that age but I have my thoughts. All tanks and even the sea go through cycles. Some last a few months and some last years. I have been SCUBA diving since 1971 all over the place but the vast majority of my dives were in New York, lobster diving.

The sea is vastly different than it was then with entirely different livestock living there. For instance in the 70s, there were flounders all over the bottom, so thick I could spear 2 or 3 at a time. They are completely gone. My wet suit used to be covered in starfish, totally gone. I used to hunt for urchins, gone. Puffers were the main fish we caught, gone now to be replaced by sea robins.

Hermit crabs covered the sand, gone. We used to catch many sand sharks, gone.

Our tanks have the same issues but in our tanks it is usually toxins from corals. We never hear of that but corals and anemones exude toxins all the time and when we get to many different corals, they try to take up all the space for themselves and crashes happen.

I just eliminated a photosynthetic, encrusting sponge which poisoned many of my corals and all my SPS. Now my tank is all LPS and soft corals which I like anyway.

My reef now is over 50 years old and being I know about these issues, I can get in front of them because I can tell when it is about to happen. I have many large leather corals and they also emit toxins.

My tank used to be all SPS, but because of a few things, I no longer have them. I keep many clown gobies and they spawn all over acropora, killing it with their eggs. Also soft corals seem to emit toxins that kill SPS and the other way around.

Of course skimming, ozone and carbon probably remove these things but not fast enough.

My tank is on auto pilot and has been for years now. I don't hardly tweek, test, dose or change much water and it seems just fine. Most of my fish (and I have over 50) are spawning and only dying of old age.

So in short, I feel it is cycles and toxins crashing many tanks.

There has been pictures of my tank on forums since computers were invented and in paper magazines before that. I also had some "almost" crashes but none that completely crashed it.

 

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