Lyretail in qt with something on head

litenyaup · Apr 2, 2020

I received a new batch of fish 3/24 and they all went directly into qt. I run a redsea 32 gal aio tank for my qt. In the tank I have a filter pad, skimmer, and power heads.

Water quality should not be any issues with zero tds, I have an 8 stage ro/Di system and run aqua forest salt. I do water changes every 3-4 days to remove any contaminates.

Upon receipt of these fish none looked to have anything on them or sick. After a day on being in qt the male lyretail looked to have a gash on it head. After a couple days it was bigger and then today it looks really big and wide open. I fresh water dipped the fish and nothing fell off of it.

At first thought maybe lympho but it really does not look like it. I’m at a loss and looking for some help in identifying what it is and possible treatment. Anyone who could help please give me some suggestions.

attached are a few pics in progression of the disease. First batch of pics are just iPhone and best I could do. Last batch I caught him and used the Nikon with macro lens to get best shots I could.

Thank you in advanced for any help!!

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Wolf89 · Apr 2, 2020

Ouch! that looks bad.
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Fishfinder · Apr 2, 2020

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Big G · Apr 2, 2020

That looks pretty raw and exposed. A bath in methylene blue will help as an initial treatment. Then the next day, I'd give it a bath for 60-90 minutes in Ruby Reef Rally (acriflavine). If the area grows or show redness or white filmy spreads, treating with antibiotics is the next step.

Methylene Blue

Methylene Blue What It Treats – Healing agent which treats ammonia burn, abrasions, cuts. Mild antiparasitic/antibacterial properties. Will possibly detoxify a fish that has been exposed to cyanide poisoning. Probably one of the best “first response” treatments for a sick fish. How To Treat –...

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Acriflavine

Acriflavine What It Treats – This is an antiseptic that is very useful for rendering “first aid” if a fish has a bacterial infection or to treat an open wound. It can also be used as part of a “three step program” for treating Marine Velvet Disease: 1) 5 minute freshwater dip 2) 90 minute...

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Antibiotics

Antibiotic treatment What It Treats – Bacterial infections, which are oftentimes “secondary” to preexisting parasitic (and worm) infestations. How To Treat – Follow the directions on the label of whatever product you are using. Always use a broad spectrum antibiotic medication i.e. one that...

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litenyaup · Apr 2, 2020

Big G said:
That looks pretty raw and exposed. A bath in methylene blue will help as an initial treatment. Then the next day, I'd give it a bath for 60-90 minutes in Ruby Reef Rally (acriflavine). If the area grows or show redness or white filmy spreads, treating with antibiotics is the next step.

Methylene Blue

Methylene Blue What It Treats – Healing agent which treats ammonia burn, abrasions, cuts. Mild antiparasitic/antibacterial properties. Will possibly detoxify a fish that has been exposed to cyanide poisoning. Probably one of the best “first response” treatments for a sick fish. How To Treat –...

www.reef2reef.com

Acriflavine

Acriflavine What It Treats – This is an antiseptic that is very useful for rendering “first aid” if a fish has a bacterial infection or to treat an open wound. It can also be used as part of a “three step program” for treating Marine Velvet Disease: 1) 5 minute freshwater dip 2) 90 minute...

www.reef2reef.com

Antibiotics

Antibiotic treatment What It Treats – Bacterial infections, which are oftentimes “secondary” to preexisting parasitic (and worm) infestations. How To Treat – Follow the directions on the label of whatever product you are using. Always use a broad spectrum antibiotic medication i.e. one that...

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thank you for the info and steps to preform them. I will be starting that treatment plan tonight. I will keep everyone posted on how this little fella does.

litenyaup · Apr 3, 2020

Here is what I got. Fingers crossed!!

Big G · Apr 3, 2020

litenyaup said:
Here is what I got. Fingers crossed!!

Good move!

Great product to have on hand in your fish med kit. Can use to treat fish with ammonia burns to their gills after shipment, cuts, injury. It actually helps the fish to be able to absorb oxygen in it tissues, especially the gills membrane.

litenyaup · Apr 3, 2020

Big G said:
Good move!

Great product to have on hand in your fish med kit. Can use to treat fish with ammonia burns to their gills after shipment, cuts, injury. It actually helps the fish to be able to absorb oxygen in it tissues, especially the gills membrane.

awesome thank you again for the info. He is in the bath now. Doing 30 min in regular dose as directed from bottle. Also have a bubbler in the bath as well.....like a jacuzzi bath for this lil dude!!

litenyaup · Apr 3, 2020

Ok so I completed the bath and when I reintroduced the fish to qt the wound looked smaller as if it shrunk up a bit. Not sure what that means or if it will stay that way but ill continue to do daily or bi daily baths.

DeniseAndy · Apr 3, 2020

Definitely do some antibiotics too. Surprised the fish is still doing well. Good work.

Jrod381 · Apr 3, 2020

Yea I’m dealing with what looks like to be the start of a issue on my male as well is this urenoma or something worst?

Big G · Apr 3, 2020

Uronema usually presents as "open" sores that looks like the flesh is rotting. Those red marks look more like cuts that may have become infected. The fins are looking a little tattered too. Bacterial infections on these fish need to be address as soon as possible as they can go sideways really fast. NFG powder works the fastest; the "Trifecta" of Kanaplex + metro + Furan2 covers a tremendous spectrum of bacterial infections.

Bacterial Infections

Why fish get bacterial infections What You Need To Know: * Infections can be caused by either Gram‐positive or Gram-negative bacteria. Gram-negative infections are typically more virulent, and more common in marine fish. * Bacterial infections are often "secondary" to a preexisting parasitic...

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litenyaup · Apr 5, 2020

So I was on shift yesterday and was unable to give this guy a bath so this morning when I got home I did. I did a double dose for recommended 30 min. Here are a few more pics as of this morning during the dip. Not sure if the darker flesh means healing or getting worse. Almost seems as though when in the dip the opening shrinks up.

Jrod381 · Apr 5, 2020

Best of luck to you I tried to save mine all I could find was ruby reef, unfortunately woke up this morning to find him dead

litenyaup · Apr 5, 2020

Jrod381 said:
Best of luck to you I tried to save mine all I could find was ruby reef, unfortunately woke up this morning to find him dead

ya I’m hoping this dude is gonna make it. He is wasting and acting normal. Extremely active! Just the wound look crazy!! Here he is as of now in qt tank....