Milky skin, Cloudy eyes, White poop!

[vetteguy53081]

Why can't I use Kanaplex?

Its not you cant but there is gram negative and gram positive bacteria and you would be treating for gram-negative. @Jay Hemdal is offering sound info and do stick with it.

 

[SaltwaterGuruNeeded]

No, that isn't true. The solvent in Prazipro is attacked by heterotrophic bacteria, and they bloom when it is present. This can cause a drop in the oxygen levels in a tank. You need to increase aeration during any prazipro treatment. Kanaplex kills bacteria. It sometimes harms your beneficial bacteria. You need to monitor you ammonia levels while dosing it.

Jay

Ok so here are my options I'm thinking of...

1. Dose Kanaplex now and then dose my 2nd treatment of prazipro in about 4 or 5 days? Mind you carbon has been ran today, so likely the rest of prazipro has been pulled out. I have a new Seachem Ammonia badge aswell.

2. Or should I dose some more prazipro now, or in a few days. Not sure of the life cycle of a fluke, but guessing it takes 10 days to hatch and prazipro is active for about 72hrs. So maybe on the 9th day I should dose prazipro again?

 

[SaltwaterGuruNeeded]

Its not you cant but there is gram negative and gram positive bacteria and you would be treating for gram-negative. @Jay Hemdal is offering sound info and do stick with it.

Ok, I will I trust both of you!

 

[SaltwaterGuruNeeded]

So, I just removed the carbon. I might put a dose of prazipro in now bc I removed it with carbon. And then do another dose in 5 more days, because I read that the eggs hatch in 4 days. After those 5 more days I'll probably do a 30 - 40% water change do get most of what's left out. And then put one more dose in, so 3 in total. (Already did 1, and about to do one now, and then one in 5 days after the wc.) I'm guessing flukes have different hatch rates. But idk what kind of flukes I have.

Update: put another prazi dose in. It's actually the 4th day today. Will do another in 5 days.

 

[SaltwaterGuruNeeded]

Update... Also put Kanaplex in. With the ammonia badge.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Update... Also put Kanaplex in. With the ammonia badge.

As much as I hate to word it this way- Ammonia badge as useless as API test kit- Nothing but false readings.

 

[SaltwaterGuruNeeded]

As much as I hate to word it this way- Ammonia badge as useless as API test kit- Nothing but false readings.

Oof, better than nothing...probably.

 

[SaltwaterGuruNeeded]

As much as I hate to word it this way- Ammonia badge as useless as API test kit- Nothing but false readings.

What is a good ammonia test? My salifert Test is so hard to read between 0 and 0.25.

 

[vetteguy53081]

What is a good ammonia test? My salifert Test is so hard to read between 0 and 0.25.

Hanna

 

[SaltwaterGuruNeeded]

Hanna

Yeah, lol. Expensive. Idk if I'd use it that often though. Any others?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Yeah, lol. Expensive. Idk if I'd use it that often though. Any others?

Nyos and Seachem

 

[SaltwaterGuruNeeded]

Nyos and Seachem

I'll take that in consideration when Im about to buy another ammonia kit, thanks!

 

[Jay Hemdal]

So, I just removed the carbon. I might put a dose of prazipro in now bc I removed it with carbon. And then do another dose in 5 more days, because I read that the eggs hatch in 4 days. After those 5 more days I'll probably do a 30 - 40% water change do get most of what's left out. And then put one more dose in, so 3 in total. (Already did 1, and about to do one now, and then one in 5 days after the wc.) I'm guessing flukes have different hatch rates. But idk what kind of flukes I have.

Update: put another prazi dose in. It's actually the 4th day today. Will do another in 5 days.

I usually dose prazi on a 7 to 10 day cycle in order to try and catch hatching eggs. Prazi does not remain active for long.
I also do not trust ammonia badges....
Jay

 

[SaltwaterGuruNeeded]

I usually dose prazi on a 7 to 10 day cycle in order to try and catch hatching eggs. Prazi does not remain active for long.
I also do not trust ammonia badges....
Jay

Yeah, I read it stays active for about 48hrs and is "out of the water" at 72 hrs.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Yeah, I read it stays active for about 48hrs and is "out of the water" at 72 hrs.

It's more complicated than that - with each dose, bacteria grows which consume prazi as a food source. They get better at this with each dose. I've had systems where the prazi is "eaten" within hours of being added, requiring double dosing, and then that just fuels more bacteria to grow. This is the root cause behind "prazi resistant" flukes that you hear about - the flukes aren't resistant, the bacteria is just eating it too fast.

You are gnerally not going to see this in a tank that has only been dosed 2 or 3 times with prazi though.

Jay

 

[SaltwaterGuruNeeded]

It's more complicated than that - with each dose, bacteria grows which consume prazi as a food source. They get better at this with each dose. I've had systems where the prazi is "eaten" within hours of being added, requiring double dosing, and then that just fuels more bacteria to grow. This is the root cause behind "prazi resistant" flukes that you hear about - the flukes aren't resistant, the bacteria is just eating it too fast.

You are gnerally not going to see this in a tank that has only been dosed 2 or 3 times with prazi though.

Jay

What about prazi and Kanaplex together?
(Praziquantel and kanamycin)

 

[Jay Hemdal]

What about prazi and Kanaplex together?

I try not to mix medications, but I don't know of any contraindication between these two, as long as you monitor the ammonia and provide good aearation.

Jay

 

[SaltwaterGuruNeeded]

@Jay Hemdal update just put in 3rd dose of prazipro...
Do any of these look like flukes?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I don't see any flukes. Again, look for movement! The only thing I see that is curious is the last slide, it isn't a fluke, but I can't tell you what it is.

Here is an example of a Gyrodactylus fluke:

 

[SaltwaterGuruNeeded]

I don't see any flukes. Again, look for movement! The only thing I see that is curious is the last slide, it isn't a fluke, but I can't tell you what it is.

Here is an example of a Gyrodactylus fluke:

Ok good know, so what is the thing in the last slide? Oops I re read it