MY OWN DIPPING REGIMEN, WITH IMPORTANT DISCLOSURE AND THE TRUTH ABOUT USING BAYER

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  1. Bpb

    Bpb Valuable Member

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    Yeah that is prohibitively expensive for a display. Not terrible for small dips though. One bottle treats a gallon correct? $20 or so.
     

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    I don't exactly recall how much a bottle treats but it feels like that.

    I have 2 bottles on hand all the time but I'm not home atm. =)
     
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    Hey Adam. I remember this conversation well. I have thought about writing on this subject since our discussion. Thank you for writing this article. The law on this subject is very simple in the eyes of the EPA and State regulatory agencies; THE LABEL IS THE LAW. Period, end of discussion! If someone is using a pesticide in a manner that is not consistent with the label it is a violation of the law. I started my pest control business in 1997 and have been in the industry for 27 years. As I discussed with you, The Label is The Law, is one of the first things pounded into new employees brains when they start. This is done for the safety of the public, for the safety of the applicator, is required instruction to employee and liability protection for the business. Pesticides use is not to be taken lightly but if the label is followed they can be used safely and effectively.

    I'm sure the Coral Dipping Police will not be knocking down anyone's door but, it will become an issue if a worse case scenario were to happen. From a liability stand point I don't see a defense against violating the label. You may have heard of the horribly sad story of a family poisoned on vacation https://www.cbsnews.com/news/87m-se...ened-by-toxic-pesticide-terminix-on-vacation/ This happened because the person applying the product used it in a manner inconsistent with the label. It is not allowed to be used in a residential setting. Now a family's life will forever be altered and the $87 million dollar settlement will not change that. All because someone didn't follow the label. I know this is an extreme example but my point is accidents and worse case scenarios are never planned. You never know what or when they will happen. Is it worth the risk?
     
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    That story is absolutely terrible. Family goes on vacation and each one comes back completely destoryed. Im glad they won the settlement buts its unfortunate they cant enjoy it.

    Besides having common sense is there any other precautions people should take when using bayer? Is it just as bad as whatever was used in this article?
     
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    One cap per 20-30 gallons. Or I think some said 1 ml per gallon. So not that expensive at all. Better than losing a full tank of sps to red bugs. Interceptor is cheaper if can get it obviously.
     
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    Good to know. Though of any pest there are I’d take red bugs over any other. My tank was growing healthy with what I considered good PE and color and didn’t even discover red bugs until it was an accident, by taking pictures to share of my acros. No telling how long they were there. Frags made it to colonies with bugs
     
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  7. Battlecorals

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    Hey, Thanks a lot for chiming in! I was really hoping you'd see this one. It was our conversation a few years ago that changed my entire process and viewpoint on this stuff for sure, and I still greatly apprieciate your willingness to share your knowledge on it. It's serious stuff and people do need to start realizing that when it comes to using Bayer.
     
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    Imagine a health inspector walking into my restaurant kitchen and seeing a bottle of bayer....hahaha... talk about being done.
     
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    Its not a problem if you store it correctly. Sitting on the counter next to meat or veggies and good luck to you. Lol


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    But.... i dip my vegetables for pests
     
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    Cough amazon
     
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    Ive actually tryed the brightwell potassium dry mix, from what I've gathered- you'll need to raise your dip water to 1,600 ppm. That was the math I tryed my best to follow. Been trying it on and off for years. Works just like the reef primer. That polyp lab dip had to be one of the best commercial dips I've tryed, but at 40 dollars a bottle for a couple of gallon dips is just way to expensive for my hobbiest purposes.
     
  13. Battlecorals

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    Totally with you on this

    It definitely stings to buy the stuff. And at a gallon a time it’s about two dips worth which is crazy to me.

    I actually only mix up 1000 ml batches and that takes 2 cap fulls. It’s a drawn out process but lasts a lot longer that way. I also learned recently that you can actually re use it. I have a container in my freezer right now with my last batch lol
     
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    Another great write up Adam. Not into sps yet and still using revive on my lps
     
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    I did one bear dip and lost one of my favorite actors and all the others survived so ever since then I’ve never used it again and was for red bugs so I ended up getting interceptor. But when I dip my quarantine in my nano for at least two weeks and watch it then I would do it every five days in revive
     
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    The other thing about Bayer advanced is availability outside of the US. I haven't brushed up on our own laws here surrounding personal importation (US > CAN), but considering it's unavailable for sale up here, and that our government has been per suing limits on use of Imidacloprid, I doubt CBSA would take kindly to finding me bringing bottles of it back from a day trip. The EU is probably even stricter.

    Thanks for the write-up!
     
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    I've noticed people have been using Melafix with good results. I recently bought some to test out.

    It's clear so you can see what comes off the corals.
     
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    I look forward to hearing about your experience
     
  19. Sabellafella

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    I mean hey from the best of my knowledge, there should be no chemical imbalance with continued use like that other then stuff dying in the dip. But then again we are dipping corals in very strange stuff nowadays.

    Never though of reusing it, actually plan on doing that soon as I get my hand on another bottle. Pretty cool stuff Adam thank you
     
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    My pleasure. Ive used the frozen dip twice now, and so far good. If it starts to get nasty at all, ill definitely chuck it though.
     
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