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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AKreuzer" data-source="post: 10825192" data-attributes="member: 202856">PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS AS COMBATIVE OR I KNOW BETTER. THIS IS ME EXPLAINING MY THOUGHT PROCESS AND EXPLAINING WHAT MY UNDERSTANDINGS ARE AND ACTIONS AS A RESULT OF THOSE UNDERSTANDINGS. IF I CANT UNDERSTAND THE FLAWS IN MY LOGIC I DONT LEARN. I VALUE YOUR FEEDBACK SO PLEASE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE IT AND TELL ME WHERE I AM WRONG...I AM THE FNG HERE. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />I guess where my thought process is, I have 0 fish, there are 2 cleaner shrimp, 2 astrea snails, and an Emrald crab...but as soon as I acclimate, fish died...fast...1) to Jay's point it could be acclimation, so there for the next go around, regardless, I will ensure a slow more better acclimation technique to make sure I dont go to quick.     a- what if its not? what if I acclimate for salinity in a QT tank and go through that whole process text book and when I introduce them to my tank water again their dead? At that point im out alot of time and I killed more fish. so my thought is what else can we prove is not the issue or do to assure as best as possible that when fish go in they have the greatest chance of success. 2) I only have a return pump shooting water across the top...and although it is providing movement of water an idea I/we(LFS) had is gas/toxins building up in the substrate. enter powerhead. Something that I imagine I would need regardless at somepoint when I get into corals. 3) ICP water test...like I meantioned whats $13 at this point.... I figure if their 44 point inspection reveals nothing. thats 44 things I dont have to worry about and 44 things that I can feel I did my due diligence on verifying. Maybe, then I dont do the drasitc water changes maybe just stick to 10%. if the 44 point inspection does reveal something maybe Ill have a bit more evidence to identify a smoking gun 4) loved the biosecurity article- I have a few points on that     a- I think it is an awesome best practice and things to be aware of. I am 100% going to try and align my practices to this going forward but how can I implement this now with 0 fish or is there any value delivered by doing the full extent now? I feel like I have nothing to secure. If there is disease or parasites do I need to wait until the life cycle of anything plausible has been eliminated? I dont know I am trying to get more data on what I have to get as close to that 100% confidence of moving the fish in. If I QT for 2 weeks 2 months whatever and I introduce them back to my water and they die I am not further along other than a lot of wasted time.     b- Food prep is an interesting idea and something ill concider moving forward at my current point but is it worth it where I am to get off the ground?....or am I adding additional unknown variable. I am currently (was) feeding with frozen reef frenzy and then Nori (brand name escapes me at the moment)      c- Stickies....they should have a life cycle right? we waited a week since the last fish had died to reintroduce believing that the majority of things would nearly double their expected lifecycle (ie. flukes has a 3 day lifecycle from what I read) therefor it shouldnt be an issue.....the 2 clowns that were introduced has symptoms in their specimen container (leads me back to either a. osmotic shock like jay suggested. or b. another toxin in the water hence the 44pt water test)</blockquote>

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