New ORA Saddleback Clownfish, does this "white dust" look to be of concern?

[125mph]

Ruby is known to be reef safe. You can wait for others to show symptoms, but if it were me, I would treat to be safe.

You run as a bath for 90 mins or just dose it per recommended in DT?

 

[125mph]

Here they are in the morning. Normal
Breathing, in fact its so hard to see the white stuff on their scales. I have to shine a white flashlight to see it. With just normal room lights its impossible to see.

Still brook? The tank has metroplex right now.

 

[125mph]

Under regular lights

 

[125mph]

So quick update... So after doing the Ruby Rally Bath and putting them back into QT with Metro (monday 7/22), I observed and still had those strange white stuff on them. Again very very faint and hard to see without a flash light.

My display tank, which those clowns were sitting in acclimation box for 5 hours, has 12 other fish, also shows no signs of any parasites, as of today (wed 7/24)

I decided to dose Prazi as well just in case... Approximately 3 hours after dosing prazi, the spots are virtually gone. The bigger clown hasnt gotten anymore spots and the small one has just a few patches at the moment.

What could that mean? Why did Prazi clear up the white stuff?

I'm starting to feel this isnt Brook as Brook would have acted much faster by now.

 

[125mph]

I read that flukes are more visible in black fish.. I wonder if they had massive amounts of flukes.

 

[Sharkbait19]

@Jay Hemdal may know

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I read that flukes are more visible in black fish.. I wonder if they had massive amounts of flukes.

Skin mucus in general is much more visible on dark clownfish than light ones.

I had looked at the photos before, but didn’t weigh in because I was on the fence if this was ich or Brook or just idiopathic mucus. I’m still not sure. I doubt it is flukes; the fish’s history doesn’t lead that way, and except for gill flukes, clowns don’t often get flukes.

These fish don’t look like typical young tank raised ones - was their history a bit different?

 

[Rollnwthdatide]

My first saddlebacks that were wild caught had brook. The tank , pump and heater was wshed with vinegar and sat outside in 90’F temp for over a week. Wonder if somehow brook survived that.

If i take them out right now, only exposed to the display by a few hours, could my other fish be okay?

I do have ruby rally on hand.

Were your first saddlebacks in the DT?

 

[125mph]

Were your first saddlebacks in the DT?

No, the first set of saddlebacks stayed in the garage QT system. I thoroughly rinsed it in vinegar and sprayed fresh water, and the system sat outside for 5 days in the California heat.

 

[125mph]

Skin mucus in general is much more visible on dark clownfish than light ones.

I had looked at the photos before, but didn’t weigh in because I was on the fence if this was ich or Brook or just idiopathic mucus. I’m still not sure. I doubt it is flukes; the fish’s history doesn’t lead that way, and except for gill flukes, clowns don’t often get flukes.

These fish don’t look like typical young tank raised ones - was their history a bit different?

These ones are larger clowns. I spoke to ORA and requested a 3"+ female and a 2.25" male. They said they had it and then I ordered, they shipped directly to me.

Strange thing is, since using prazi both clowns are like 95% completely clear of the marks. The reef rally and the metro didnt seem to clear it , though they are still on Metro.

However, my other clown in the display.. the white premium percula .. she has a brown dark marking on the white white area of her scales.. Its so faint its hard to tell if this is new or she always had it.. But it resembles the circled spot on this picture at BRS. I would take a pic of the spot on the clownfish but it wont show on camera.. its too faint:

 

[Jay Hemdal]

These ones are larger clowns. I spoke to ORA and requested a 3"+ female and a 2.25" male. They said they had it and then I ordered, they shipped directly to me.

Strange thing is, since using prazi both clowns are like 95% completely clear of the marks. The reef rally and the metro didnt seem to clear it , though they are still on Metro.

However, my other clown in the display.. the white premium percula .. she has a brown dark marking on the white white area of her scales.. Its so faint its hard to tell if this is new or she always had it.. But it resembles the circled spot on this picture at BRS. I would take a pic of the spot on the clownfish but it wont show on camera.. its too faint:

I’m thinking these clowns are ex-breeders that they had in their breeding system.

Flukes are difficult to see on fish, I usually rely on secondary symptoms; flashing/scratching, rapid breathing (in gill flukes) and generally tattered skin and fins. Only one species of fluke is large enough to see without a microscope (Neobenedenia).
With egg laying flukes, the prazi just knocks the flukes off, it doesn’t kill the eggs. You then need to redose one or two more times, 8 days apart to try and kill hatching flukes before they grow old enough to lay their own eggs.

 

[125mph]

I’m thinking these clowns are ex-breeders that they had in their breeding system.

Interestingly, on the 3rd day after I received the clowns, the large one laid a pile of eggs on the pvc pipe. It flew around everywhere in the qt tank.

I’m going to dose prazi in my dt today too, just in case. I’ve had good luck with praxi in the dt, with a few nems and they never had a reaction.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

It is always best to add extra aeration when dosing prazi.

 

[125mph]

Dosed 40ml of prazi this morning into my DT. My tank is 180G, but taking away the glass and rocks and sand, and assuming the sump has about 25-30g, I estimated about 160g of water. Was a bit afraid I did the math wrong so I triple checked.

Haddoni and Bubble tip immediately appeared to not like the prazi, and skimmer went nuts. Took collection cup off. Turned off UV. In about 2 hours , nems appeared to be back to normal.

 

[125mph]

What a headache... Just now, noticed my potters angel has a single white thing that appears raised and looks like a sand grain on his body right by his tail. All other fish including blue tang, purple tang and white tail tang are clean.

I did notice, on the evening of the incident (where I took the saddles out of acclimation box), my smaller percula clown had a similar sand grain size white mark by his mouth, but that disappeared within 12 hours. I thought it was too quick to be inch or anything.

Now im getting concerned, two fish have have had a salt size thing on them .

If its ich, how many days does the trophont stay on the fish? Can it go within 12 hours? If it stays longer then 3 days, is it safe to say its not ich?

The saddlebacks visually looks very different than what I'm seeing on the potteres... but maybe they carried ich on top of the other issue.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

What a headache... Just now, noticed my potters angel has a single white thing that appears raised and looks like a sand grain on his body right by his tail. All other fish including blue tang, purple tang and white tail tang are clean.

I did notice, on the evening of the incident (where I took the saddles out of acclimation box), my smaller percula clown had a similar sand grain size white mark by his mouth, but that disappeared within 12 hours. I thought it was too quick to be inch or anything.

Now im getting concerned, two fish have have had a salt size thing on them .

If its ich, how many days does the trophont stay on the fish? Can it go within 12 hours? If it stays longer then 3 days, is it safe to say its not ich?

The saddlebacks visually looks very different than what I'm seeing on the potteres... but maybe they carried ich on top of the other issue.

Trophonts stay on a fish for 3 to 7 days, but may not be visible when small, so the first day or two they are on the fish, they can go unnoticed.

Here is a really good read on marine ich:

FA164/FA164: Cryptocaryon irritans Infections (Marine White Spot Disease) in Fish

University of Florida, Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences Extension outreach is a partnership between state, federal, and county governments to provide scientific knowledge and expertise to the public. The University of Florida (UF), together with Florida A&M University (FAMU)...

edis.ifas.ufl.edu

 

[125mph]

Thanks! Just read that, good information. I think I might be doing TTM on these fish and letting fallow the tank if I see more white spots. Or maybe do copper on the tangs and clowns and TTM the wrasse.

My radiant wrasse started flashing.. Scratching himself on the sand or rock, but not often. Once an hour or two. He shows no spots though. Or maybe its just the flukes that prazi will take care of soon.

 

[125mph]

Trophonts stay on a fish for 3 to 7 days, but may not be visible when small, so the first day or two they are on the fish, they can go unnoticed.

Here is a really good read on marine ich:

FA164/FA164: Cryptocaryon irritans Infections (Marine White Spot Disease) in Fish

University of Florida, Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences Extension outreach is a partnership between state, federal, and county governments to provide scientific knowledge and expertise to the public. The University of Florida (UF), together with Florida A&M University (FAMU)...

edis.ifas.ufl.edu

So the white spot on my potters angel that I saw today, its disappeared.. It was there for maybe 5 hours or so. I know it wasnt there before that and it isnt there now..

Could that be ich or brook or is it not related since it disappeared so fast?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

So the white spot on my potters angel that I saw today, its disappeared.. It was there for maybe 5 hours or so. I know it wasnt there before that and it isnt there now..

Could that be ich or brook or is it not related since it disappeared so fast?

Could have been a sand grain. Doesn’t sound like Brook at all. Ich trophonts are usually visible for 24 hours or more at a time.

 

[125mph]

This is so weird. I just checked on the saddles and the big one has a very large white growth under the jaw. Wasnt there this morning. Like a pimple size. What is this now?