NEW Vodka and Vinegar Dosing Charts

[R2_Reef]

Vodka has the same overall CO2 and H+ releasing effect as vinegar when following the chart, but vodka will happen gradually throughout the day, so the effect will be less noticeable if you have enough aeration.

You can most likely switch in between with no issues. I never had an issue personally.

Thank you for the input my friend

 

[Reef_at_Sea]

Could you supply me with info on what to do after week 3?

I’m currently dosing 2x 20ml a day for about 2 weeks now in a bruto 50gal tank but i still see no improvements when it comes to my nitrate numbers.

I do see slime tho.

 

[Miami Reef]

Could you supply me with info on what to do after week 3?

I’m currently dosing 2x 20ml a day for about 2 weeks now in a bruto 50gal tank but i still see no improvements when it comes to my nitrate numbers.

I do see slime tho.

Can you give me a brief history? I think you started at 70ppm. The carbon dosing didn’t work at first, so you did a big water change which resulted in 13ppm.

Did it shoot back up again? How fast?

You can technically dose more, but it will cause significantly more slime which I personally don’t like in my tank.

 

[Reefering1]

And what's a "bruto" 50g tank? Does it have a skimmer to remove the bacteria being produced?
Are you using vodka or vinegar?

 

[Miami Reef]

Does it have a skimmer to remove the bacteria being produced?

Good question. I believe they switched to vinegar.

 

[Reefering1]

40ml of Vinegar is not very much.. if already skimming, I would keep going/ up the dose

 

[Miami Reef]

40ml of Vinegar is not very much.. if already skimming, I would keep going/ up the dose

40mL in a 50 gallon tank (it seems like their tank is in a brute can) is pretty high.

 

[Reefering1]

40mL in a 50 gallon tank (it seems like their tank is in a brute can) is pretty high.

Wouldn't that be equivalent to 5ml/day(of vodka) into 50g? When my 180g was 75+ppm no3, got up to 70ml/day(vodka) before really seeing results. 180/50=3.6(5)= 18ml vodka equivalent for 50g would be 144ml vinegar. 20ml of vodka, in 50g, is alot in my opinion.
Some big "if"s here though. If using vinegar, if using a skimmer. Need more information

Edit. My math is off.
180g is 3.6x more than 50g. 70/3.6=19.444 ml vodka per 50g.(my dose)
19.44(8)= 155.555ml vinegar equivalent/50g

 

[Miami Reef]

When my 180g was 75+ppm no3, got up to 70ml/day(vodka) before really seeing results.

I think you meant vinegar. That dose is fine and not high.

He made a post earlier about switching to vinegar.

That max dose of vinegar possible is 1mL per gallon. You’ll see a ton of slime and I’d do anything to avoid going to high. The corals will probably not be happy.

For vodka, it’s .125 mL per gallon. That’s the max dose which I don’t recommend. There will be tons of slime coating all the equipment and shooting out of the return pump when you stop the pump then start again.


I believe the dosages I put in the first thread shows exactly how high you can go while being conservative and avoiding the nasty slime as much as possible.

 

[Miami Reef]

Here are the charts from the first page so you can compare the numbers:

 

[Reefering1]

That 70ml of vodka is what I was putting into my 180g to get results, spread out over 24 doses. I only saw slime or any ill effects if the skimmer was inop. So to me, 5ml of vodka(equivalent to his 40ml of vinegar) is a small amount for that no3,in 50g, I didn't realize my dose was that extreme..

 

[Reef_at_Sea]

Can you give me a brief history? I think you started at 70ppm. The carbon dosing didn’t work at first, so you did a big water change which resulted in 13ppm.

Did it shoot back up again? How fast?

You can technically dose more, but it will cause significantly more slime which I personally don’t like in my tank.

It did shoot back up again, 20ppm in about 2-3 weeks.

 

[Reef_at_Sea]

That 70ml of vodka is what I was putting into my 180g to get results, spread out over 24 doses. I only saw slime or any ill effects if the skimmer was inop. So to me, 5ml of vodka(equivalent to his 40ml of vinegar) is a small amount for that no3,in 50g, I didn't realize my dose was that extreme..

I read more & more about people that need higher dosages… i’m thinking about upping the dose more but with vodka.
Although i would like advice on how to safely ramp it up.

I dont care about the slime, most of it is in my sump + i remove it.

 

[Reef_at_Sea]

It all is a mystery for me tho….
I don’t have lots of fish. I got enough rockwork + i added seachem matrix for more bacteria household & i feed the bare minimum to my fish.

My skimmer skims a full cup in about a 1,5week time, it’s a tunze doc 9004

 

[Reefering1]

I've never used vinegar, only vodka, I'm not sure if you can just switch at current dose or if you should stop then start fresh with vodka, i likely would ease into it. Are there corals in the tank? What's the po4 level?

 

[jackalcodon]

Hi Miami Reef,
I am new to this hobby and my AIO tank is young (over 1 month now). I used to test the pamameters (without NO3 test). 2 days ago, I make first test with No3 and the number is 50 ppm. I consider this number is high (ideally is 1-10ppm). I will start to Carbon dosing using vodka based on your chart, just have few question to make sure I will do it right from beginning. Here my tanks infos:

• Tank volume: 51 liters in total
• Inhabitants: 10 LSP + Soft, 1 Anemone, 1 SPS, 2 Nemo, 1 Dory, 1 bi colors dottyback, 5 sexy shrimp, 1 hermit crabs.
• Parameters: temp (28oC), Sal (1.024), No3 (50 ppm), PH (8), Ca (340), Mg (1230), dKH (9)

1. When dosing vodka, do I need to turn off Skimmer? when dose, can i add directly to water tank?
2. I currently dose All for Reef everyday (1,5ml/day), and MB7 (2ml/2days). Could I still using them while dosing Vodka, or need to stop?
3. do dosing AB+ will affected the NO3 like overfeeding?

Thank you for helping.

 

[Dan_P]

It did shoot back up again, 20ppm in about 2-3 weeks.

Based on lab work, this rate of nitrate generation could be near the nitrate consumption rate for your current dose of vinegar. Nitrate consumption rate with vodka can be somewhat higher than the equivalent amount of vinegar.

 

[Miami Reef]

When dosing vodka, do I need to turn off Skimmer? when dose, can i add directly to water tank?

Leave the skimmer on. Try to let it run at all times. It won’t remove any vinegar nor vodka. You can add the vodka or vinegar directly into the tank.

I currently dose All for Reef everyday (1,5ml/day), and MB7 (2ml/2days). Could I still using them while dosing Vodka, or need to stop?

You definitely can keep dosing those products.

do dosing AB+ will affected the NO3 like overfeeding?

AB+ contains nitrogen, but it doesn’t really spike nitrate in my experience. Use it sparingly, since rising nitrate means you have enough nitrogen in your tank. Adding more in the form of amino acids isn’t mandatory for coral health and growth in your case IMO.

Good luck and please report back on your results.

 

[jackalcodon]

Leave the skimmer on. Try to let it run at all times. It won’t remove any vinegar nor vodka. You can add the vodka or vinegar directly into the tank.

You definitely can keep dosing those products.

AB+ contains nitrogen, but it doesn’t really spike nitrate in my experience. Use it sparingly, since rising nitrate means you have enough nitrogen in your tank. Adding more in the form of amino acids isn’t mandatory for coral health and growth in your case IMO.

Good luck and please report back on your results.

Thank you, I will monitor and report the result.

 

[Reef_at_Sea]

Based on lab work, this rate of nitrate generation could be near the nitrate consumption rate for your current dose of vinegar. Nitrate consumption rate with vodka can be somewhat higher than the equivalent amount of vinegar.

Hm...

I'm currently making steps to try reduce nitrate creation even more.
I'm getting a better quality skimmer & i'm getting rid of the filter socks.

If there are any other tips that are important in nitrate reduction i would love to hear them.
My bioload isn't high & i feed the minimal to my fish.