No nitrite but has Ammonia and nitrate
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we can cycle your tank easily using those approximations above, exact measures not required. chemists would say those measures are proof of nitrites, not nitrates, due to age of tank and the ways initial nitrate test kits misread on cycling tanks.
means that don't factor your test kits exist, they're better means to cycle by
post a tank pic, from that we are verifying surface area and attachment points
couple other steps and the exact date you can begin will follow
time underwater for the system five days, that factors into upcoming ready date
need pics
the way we can cycle your tank independent from the test approximations above is by tracking other setups like yours, using digital ammonia measures. we develop completion patterns from those and by using well-tested cycling charts that show # of days underwater corresponding with key cycling parameters.
once we see pics of the tank to discern filter ratios, we already know # of days towards ammonia completion timeline, and we can factor the boosts you've added/feed and bottle bac along with pics. from that, a clear start date will be easy to name even if you never test again.
begin researching disease controls in the fish you will add, the cycle part is about to be good and ready. if you add unprepared fish from a pet store, expect high initial loss rates of fish having nothing to do with cycling.
means that don't factor your test kits exist, they're better means to cycle by
post a tank pic, from that we are verifying surface area and attachment points
couple other steps and the exact date you can begin will follow
time underwater for the system five days, that factors into upcoming ready date
need pics
the way we can cycle your tank independent from the test approximations above is by tracking other setups like yours, using digital ammonia measures. we develop completion patterns from those and by using well-tested cycling charts that show # of days underwater corresponding with key cycling parameters.
once we see pics of the tank to discern filter ratios, we already know # of days towards ammonia completion timeline, and we can factor the boosts you've added/feed and bottle bac along with pics. from that, a clear start date will be easy to name even if you never test again.
begin researching disease controls in the fish you will add, the cycle part is about to be good and ready. if you add unprepared fish from a pet store, expect high initial loss rates of fish having nothing to do with cycling.
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PatW
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In the nitrogen cycle, you get ammonia converted to nitrite by one group of bacteria and nitrite converted to nitrate by another group of bacteria. When I cycled, I only saw some nitrite briefly. In order to have nitrate, you have to have had nitrite. The reason you don’t see nitrite is that it is converted to nitrate as fast as it is formed.
Opticat
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I used ro di made synthetic saltwater, and heres the pic, it's a 20 gallon aio tank, also used caribsea live sand, started the cycle 5 days ago, used shrimp as ammonia source removed it when the ammonia reached 2ppm
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On the directions bottle of aqua forest, does it say one drop per night or does it have you add a certain volume of the product all at once can you relay the bottle directions to us. I haven’t used it before so need to know volumes they recommend
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fachatga
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It’s fine. It’s different bacteria that converts ammonia be the one they converts nitrite. One develops faster than the other. The ammonia will be gone soon. Probably before you get a zero ammonia test. False readings are very very common when cycling.
Are there instances where Api showed .25 in years old reefs?
It’s important to know in case his ammonia test isn’t the few that go to zero…we need other cycle timing option in case he’s got the more popular kind of kit we see on searches. At other times people have dosed prime / false positive and not stated it in the info
It’s important to know in case his ammonia test isn’t the few that go to zero…we need other cycle timing option in case he’s got the more popular kind of kit we see on searches. At other times people have dosed prime / false positive and not stated it in the info
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It said 1 drop per 27 gallons everyday for the first two weeks of a new tank
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Reading about that aqua forest product it is a probiotic bacteria. Designed to accelerate decomposition of organic matter. Maybe they are doing their jobs and decaying organics in the sand. Also did it go from 2 to 1ppm? Or did it go from 2ppm to zero back to 1ppm?
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This is a neat cycle as you’re using bacteria fairly rare here, most our cycles are Dr. Tims, biospira or Fritz. nice to have a new strain for once.
Your timing is still new it’s not like we are day 25 still stuck but close to day ~15 you’re in line with most other questionable dose cycles, you can expect to be ready on or about that maximum date as a common cycling chart shows that as an ammonia drop date.
Dr Z mentioned waste-digesting strains, indeed that may be the case and they’re often able to run dual duty as cycling bacteria as well. MB7 is a common dual-duty bac
agreed fully they may work slower than cycle-specific strains, agreed. More sales if aqua forest can claim dual use (cleaning a tank and cycling) per bottle.
*chemistry forum testing showed digesting bac strains such as waste away to be largely unhelpful in aquaria, they didn’t reduce detritus in Tarichas careful tests logged there. Whether they’re good at cycling, who knows- need seneye to know in my opinion.
it would take precision seneye testing to know which date sooner you’re ready if any.
Here’s why I specially narrowed down on day fifteen vs any random pickable date:
1. Meets the ammonia drop date from all cycling charts. A well-tested action date across bottled cycles. Remove shrimp and do full water change on day fifteen, its ready and surfaces will retain the filter bacteria. We test these daily and gain valuable pattern feedback, I don’t recall any fails on this date (fifteen days of submersion after feeding and adding a bottle bac)
Not one bad start among thousands of participated cycles by day fifteen. Day fifteen is slow in bottle bac terms; true cycling strains will carry bioload immediately when added to the tank, just find any fish-in cycle ran on seneye to see, there are a few out there.
2. here is a worst case scenario timing you can track for date claims. This is a 30 day cycle, but it’s feed only. NO bottle bac at all, environmental free bacteria when simply fed will fully cycle in 30 days. Even if your bottle bac was zero helpful for cycling, thirty days is the max time it would take anyway as you’ve fed the system.
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cutting the time to 15 days here is prudent because there’s no reason to think your bac don’t assist at all in cycling, they’re just not Fritz or biospira fast possibly. The reason we only focused on ammonia and not any other param is because thats how I’ve been cycling other people’s reefs for a while now, it’s two less mistesting params to worry about. of the three cycling params, ammonia is the one that burns so it’s what we solve for in start date assessment.
Your timing is still new it’s not like we are day 25 still stuck but close to day ~15 you’re in line with most other questionable dose cycles, you can expect to be ready on or about that maximum date as a common cycling chart shows that as an ammonia drop date.
Dr Z mentioned waste-digesting strains, indeed that may be the case and they’re often able to run dual duty as cycling bacteria as well. MB7 is a common dual-duty bac
agreed fully they may work slower than cycle-specific strains, agreed. More sales if aqua forest can claim dual use (cleaning a tank and cycling) per bottle.
*chemistry forum testing showed digesting bac strains such as waste away to be largely unhelpful in aquaria, they didn’t reduce detritus in Tarichas careful tests logged there. Whether they’re good at cycling, who knows- need seneye to know in my opinion.
it would take precision seneye testing to know which date sooner you’re ready if any.
Here’s why I specially narrowed down on day fifteen vs any random pickable date:
1. Meets the ammonia drop date from all cycling charts. A well-tested action date across bottled cycles. Remove shrimp and do full water change on day fifteen, its ready and surfaces will retain the filter bacteria. We test these daily and gain valuable pattern feedback, I don’t recall any fails on this date (fifteen days of submersion after feeding and adding a bottle bac)
Not one bad start among thousands of participated cycles by day fifteen. Day fifteen is slow in bottle bac terms; true cycling strains will carry bioload immediately when added to the tank, just find any fish-in cycle ran on seneye to see, there are a few out there.
2. here is a worst case scenario timing you can track for date claims. This is a 30 day cycle, but it’s feed only. NO bottle bac at all, environmental free bacteria when simply fed will fully cycle in 30 days. Even if your bottle bac was zero helpful for cycling, thirty days is the max time it would take anyway as you’ve fed the system.
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cutting the time to 15 days here is prudent because there’s no reason to think your bac don’t assist at all in cycling, they’re just not Fritz or biospira fast possibly. The reason we only focused on ammonia and not any other param is because thats how I’ve been cycling other people’s reefs for a while now, it’s two less mistesting params to worry about. of the three cycling params, ammonia is the one that burns so it’s what we solve for in start date assessment.
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Opticat
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Went from 2->1-> then .25, now for 4, days still 0 nitrite
DrZoidburg
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@Opticat I ment the ammonia level.
All is good, if that’s ammonia
TjB
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Im having this same issue right now. Ammonia is at 1.0 ppm havnt seen any nitrite levels yet, but tested nitrate levels today and they're at 5.0 ppm.
Its been 6 days today (December 8th 2021)
Been reading up on Marine chemistry. Seems we could put the Nitrite test away unless there's a problem.
This hobby certainly gets you reading
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