the reason its important not to claim fish-in cycling + bottle bac burns fish is because that uses misinformation to manage, don’t be caught by tomorrow’s measurement tools making inaccurate calls today. Ammonia is easy to control from today's bottle bac mixes... what isn't easy to control are losses from fish disease and Jay's entire disease forum is made up of those who completed a normal full wait cycle. Waiting long past the ammonia and nitrite control dates from a common cycle doesn't reduce disease expression rates, we can see in Jay's disease forum.
the risk of fish-in cycling is skipping disease preps, it has nothing to do with ‘burning’ fish with ammonia.
We explore here four points:
-can people make nh3 measurements accurately then subsequently advise what cycles are doing? We are all quite confident in our test kits...resolved on all readings and we make rules based on confidence. If the readings are wrong, our rules have been wrong, that’s embarrassing when future generations look up our advice and see we didn’t know what bacteria do but made some nice guesses for the gaps in ability to measure nh3 accurately.
-do fish in cycles using bottle bac harm fish, can you discern this status without any ammonia testing?
-what are the down sides to fish-in cycles with bottle bac, even if not ammonia harmed?
-if someone wants to FIC for reasons of not wanting to wait, or perhaps it’s a hospital tank to recover from a cracked display, how can they pull it off ethically?
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Anytime someone adds bottle bac + fish on day one, we tell them unequivocally that they're harming fish/ammonia burned
I think that's false, and that ammonia burned fish act a certain way. so lets find a way to prove one way or another and end the false info spreading.
Harmed fish act harmed they don't swim, eat and behave normally.
Symptomless ammonia issues are part and parcel of the fear factory stating that bottle bac essentially doesn't work, though we have myriad threads as of 2022 that show bottle bac sure does work
Here is an entire reef + anemone built on day one using biospira. A full reef, fish and corals and inverts.
What was burned?
after one years running, what became the challenge for the tank / fish?
the risk of fish-in cycling is skipping disease preps, it has nothing to do with ‘burning’ fish with ammonia.
We explore here four points:
-can people make nh3 measurements accurately then subsequently advise what cycles are doing? We are all quite confident in our test kits...resolved on all readings and we make rules based on confidence. If the readings are wrong, our rules have been wrong, that’s embarrassing when future generations look up our advice and see we didn’t know what bacteria do but made some nice guesses for the gaps in ability to measure nh3 accurately.
-do fish in cycles using bottle bac harm fish, can you discern this status without any ammonia testing?
-what are the down sides to fish-in cycles with bottle bac, even if not ammonia harmed?
-if someone wants to FIC for reasons of not wanting to wait, or perhaps it’s a hospital tank to recover from a cracked display, how can they pull it off ethically?
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Anytime someone adds bottle bac + fish on day one, we tell them unequivocally that they're harming fish/ammonia burned
I think that's false, and that ammonia burned fish act a certain way. so lets find a way to prove one way or another and end the false info spreading.
Harmed fish act harmed they don't swim, eat and behave normally.
Symptomless ammonia issues are part and parcel of the fear factory stating that bottle bac essentially doesn't work, though we have myriad threads as of 2022 that show bottle bac sure does work
Here is an entire reef + anemone built on day one using biospira. A full reef, fish and corals and inverts.
Bio-spira works great
I just started a new tank a little over a week ago. I started with all dry rock and new sand. I added a bottle of Bio-Spira and put fish and coral the same day. Never saw any ammonia and fish and coral seem healthy.
www.reef2reef.com
What was burned?
after one years running, what became the challenge for the tank / fish?
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