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Pair of crosshatch triggers (female 7”/Male 8”)

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They have been quarantined at California private collector for 30 days with 1/2 dose of therapeutic copper (cupermine) And last 2 weeks full dose of prazi. They are eating ferociously and and show no signs of anything except healthy. They will arrive in Miami tonight. I’m tempted to put them into the DT after safety stop and freshwater dip. What do you think? If I do go with quarantine, will a 55g suffice for 30 days? Certainly not enough room for these beauties but only for 30 days. Let the feedback begin! Much appreciated....
 
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Thx. They are quarantined and good thing because male is very badly stressed. First was lying flat for hours and now is wedged between heater and Pvc and hasn’t moved for several hours. Female is fine and swimming normally. Lets hope they eat soon and male survives.....This is not the fun part of the hobby!
 
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Well they havent eaten in almost 4 days. Add that to 3 days before shipping and its been a week. The collector is suggesting strongly that I put them in display as the 55g is just too cramped for them and they are stressing and thus not eating....dilemma. They have shown no sign of being ill as it is apparent their lack of appetite is stress enduced. Been changing 25/30% water daily and replacing it with 1/2 my high quality DT water and 1/2 fresh mixed RO. All parameters are good. Thoughts now?
 

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Well they havent eaten in almost 4 days. Add that to 3 days before shipping and its been a week. The collector is suggesting strongly that I put them in display as the 55g is just too cramped for them and they are stressing and thus not eating....dilemma. They have shown no sign of being ill as it is apparent their lack of appetite is stress enduced. Been changing 25/30% water daily and replacing it with 1/2 my high quality DT water and 1/2 fresh mixed RO. All parameters are good. Thoughts now?
Remember that fish can go quite a while before starving. Are their stomachs pinched or sunken in? Is the "back fat" of the lateral line area less?

It could also be the stress of shipping. What were they eating before the collector shipped them to you, and are you providing that food to them?
 
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Good luck with them as I know you dropped a pretty penney on them. I am going to guess these guys are likely at least 7-8", and they are a very temperamental, lets say delicate, breed. They don't like being cramped and if healthy, qould likely almost immediately come around in the dt. But I also know how painstakingly you adhere to your protocol andbhave dedicated much to put that tank together. Question is how much do you trust the guy you got them from, if I told you it was safe, then it would be safe.
 
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Remember that fish can go quite a while before starving. Are their stomachs pinched or sunken in? Is the "back fat" of the lateral line area less?

It could also be the stress of shipping. What were they eating before the collector shipped them to you, and are you providing that food to them?
They were eating PE frozen mysis mainly and that is what I’m Using. Also tried live brine yesterday to no avail. Thx.
 
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Good luck with them as I know you dropped a pretty penney on them. I am going to guess these guys are likely at least 7-8", and they are a very temperamental, lets say delicate, breed. They don't like being cramped and if healthy, qould likely almost immediately come around in the dt. But I also know how painstakingly you adhere to your protocol andbhave dedicated much to put that tank together. Question is how much do you trust the guy you got them from, if I told you it was safe, then it would be safe.
Yes on all fronts. This is the first time I’ve worked with this guy but he insists they are good to go into DT. The other dilemma is that I go away for 5 days on a trip I cant cancel starting tomorrow( Monday (10/19/20).....tough call. Thx!
 
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Male crosshatch trigger has ich and could have infected DT as I had him in a clear large container with holes floating at the top for about an hour before finally diagnosing ich. I really have no luck.....yes photos don’t lie!

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Since they’re not eating, I’m going to go with hypo salinity and a poly filter/prime/stress coat to control an ammonia. When I get back from being away 5 days (someone is feeding and watching them) I will evaluate and might start copper IF they started to eat. Anyone any thoughts on this plan for the crosshatch triggers?
 

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Well...if the collector is saying it's a space issue, the only thing I can think of is putting them in a larger tank; they sell 300 gallon tubs for 275$ or so....

I'm not sure about hyposalinity and triggers, but if it's worked before then go for it. Will it be okay to hypo them while you're gone? I know hypo can be finicky with evaporation and everything. Do you have an ATO on hand and stuff?
 

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Well...if the collector is saying it's a space issue, the only thing I can think of is putting them in a larger tank; they sell 300 gallon tubs for 275$ or so....

I'm not sure about hyposalinity and triggers, but if it's worked before then go for it. Will it be okay to hypo them while you're gone? I know hypo can be finicky with evaporation and everything. Do you have an ATO on hand and stuff?
Yeah tough timing going away during treatment. Would try to get them eating beforehand at least
 
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Male crosshatch trigger has ich and could have infected DT as I had him in a clear large container with holes floating at the top for about an hour before finally diagnosing ich. I really have no luck.....yes photos don’t lie!

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Wow, what a save; that's what a 1/2 dose of therapeutic copper will get you. I stopped buying from the lfs's that run copper along with any known sources, it's always 1/2 dose, just enough to suppress what's ailing them but not enough to cure. I hate to be the doom and gloom but I want to prepare you, this suppression method sometimes produces some virulent stuff. Did you happen to test the sg in the shipping bag when they arrived, this suppression method is usually coupled with low sg, which many times also suppress internal parasites, which may be contributing to their lack of appetite. I believe you have a real dilemma on your hands. While a 55g is cramped it is larger than what they would get at a lfs and is the size tank most use for large fish. Getting them into something larger would be great, but also figuring out something practical. I think hypo salinity and trying to get them eating would be the 1st course of treatment. Treatment for ick will add to suppressing their appetite so getting them strengthened up before treatment would be a good thing.
 

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