Plz Answers on why AF 3 part dosing completly stops coralline

Discussion in 'Aquaforest' started by Rogue Snail, Apr 19, 2017.

  1. Rogue Snail

    Rogue Snail Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    5
    I 've asked this question on many forums and it never gets answered
    My system:
    about 2 years old
    93gl cube with 40gl sump
    about 20 sps
    T5 8x80w Ati
    Tunze 9430 Skimmer
    2 Maxspec Gyres
    Good stable conditions
    Weekly 10% W/C
    Ca 450 Alk 9.6 Mg 1370
    about 4 months ago switched from ESV 2 part to AF 3 part.
    All the coralline stopped...started Kalk in the ATO it came back for a while but died off again.
    I also have 2 friends with a 575gl and a 60gl systeme ,same story.
    Am I missing something?
    Cause I'm about to go back to ESV 2 part.
     
    Tags:
  2. Anirban

    Anirban Well-Known Member R2R Supporter Partner Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2015
    Messages:
    3,209
    Likes Received:
    2,853
    Location:
    Chapel Hill, NC
    This is hard to comment or answer. You shifted to AF 3 part from ESV 2 part and from a quick look they are same. But possibly your system was adapted with that kind of dosing and it will take time to get stabilise with this kind of dosing. If you were happy with the 2 part why did you shift? Apparently reef is controlled chemical environment and when you change a single chemical parameter you affect the whole ecosystem.

    Welcome to R2R:)
     
    Sabellafella and 120reefkeeper like this.
  3. 120reefkeeper

    120reefkeeper Reef keeping with Military Precision! R2R Supporter Reef Squad Article Contributor Partner Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Messages:
    2,602
    Likes Received:
    4,116
    Agree . Coralline should return with time.
     
  4. Rogue Snail

    Rogue Snail Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    5
    It's not just me that that happened to.
    Are you using AF ?
    Did you have this happen to you?
     
  5. Rogue Snail

    Rogue Snail Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    5
    Are you using AF ?
     
    120reefkeeper likes this.
  6. Anirban

    Anirban Well-Known Member R2R Supporter Partner Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2015
    Messages:
    3,209
    Likes Received:
    2,853
    Location:
    Chapel Hill, NC
    It does not matter how many people, its all about ionic balance and its effect. It will take time and you will continue to see it disappear and coming back. Yes, I do use AF.
     
    120reefkeeper likes this.
  7. 120reefkeeper

    120reefkeeper Reef keeping with Military Precision! R2R Supporter Reef Squad Article Contributor Partner Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Messages:
    2,602
    Likes Received:
    4,116
    Yes I do use AF full probiotic method .
     
  8. Rogue Snail

    Rogue Snail Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    5
    I've been in the hobby since 1992 and it never happened to me , that stuff is usually a problem.
     
  9. Rogue Snail

    Rogue Snail Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    5
    If I may,I'm just trying to understand if I'm not causing the problem.
    What's your system sise ,coral load and what are your dosages for Comp 1+ 2+ 3+ and Pro Bio S / NP Pro?
     
  10. Rogue Snail

    Rogue Snail Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    5
    If I may ask ,what are your specs and dosages?
    SPS dominant tank
    125gl total sys
    Ca 450 Alk 9.6 Mg 1370
    dosing 1+2+3+ 200ml/day
    Pro Bio S / 4 drops /day
    Np Pro 24ml / day
     
  11. 120reefkeeper

    120reefkeeper Reef keeping with Military Precision! R2R Supporter Reef Squad Article Contributor Partner Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Messages:
    2,602
    Likes Received:
    4,116
    I have an SPS dominant tank.

    120 gal total

    Pro bios/ NP pro drops 2 drops each daily.

    AF Amino mix
    AF Build
    AF Vitality
    AF Energy

    Af power food

    Alk 7.6 dkh
    Cal 415ppm
    Mag 1350ppm
    Phos 0.027ppm
    Nitrate 0.2ppm
    Temp 78-78.3
    Ph 8.2-8.4


    My question to you is what is your phosphate and nitrate at?
    Dosing 64ml per day of component 1,2,3

    I mix my own components 1,2,3 so it's stronger than the premixed AF .


    Keep in mind everyone's system is different.
     
    Anirban likes this.
  12. Anirban

    Anirban Well-Known Member R2R Supporter Partner Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2015
    Messages:
    3,209
    Likes Received:
    2,853
    Location:
    Chapel Hill, NC
    • Salinity-1.025
    • Temp: maintained at 78.5 degree
    • pH: runs between 8.15-8.3
    • Alkalinity: dKH 8.06 (Hanna)
    • Calcium: 425 (salifert)
    • Magnesium: 1295 (salifert)
    • Nitrate: 10 ppm (red sea)
    • Phosphate: 0.03 (hanna)
    • Potassium: 410 ppm (salifert)
    • Iodine is low
    • Components 60ml/day
    • Pro bios 2 drops
    • NP Pro 20ml/day
    Once again, you are not causing any problem. The system will go through a transition period and in between this time you will see a lot of changes so dont be scared just let it get stabilised.
     
    120reefkeeper likes this.
  13. Rogue Snail

    Rogue Snail Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    5
    [​IMG]
    these are the test I use
    I only check Ca/Alk weekly the rest is once a month or when something seems weird.
    Nitrate is between 1 and 2 on the Nyos and about 2 on the Salifert
    Po4 is between 0 and .03 on the Salifert
    Temp is between 79 and 80
    Ph is about 8.25
    I removed the Zeomix and the Phosphate minus
    Changed the carbon
    cut down on the products
    Stoped using AF Build and Energy
    Cut down on Amino and Vitality from 4 drops to 3 each
    did a 55gl w/c
    I think the Zeo was the problem.
     
    Sabellafella likes this.
  14. Rogue Snail

    Rogue Snail Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    5
    My potassium is always around 370 ,never can get it to rise ,I just gave up on it .
     
  15. Rogue Snail

    Rogue Snail Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    5
    Reef salt or Pro?
     
    120reefkeeper likes this.
  16. Rogue Snail

    Rogue Snail Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    5
    Reef salt or pro?
     
  17. Anirban

    Anirban Well-Known Member R2R Supporter Partner Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2015
    Messages:
    3,209
    Likes Received:
    2,853
    Location:
    Chapel Hill, NC
    Reef salt.
     
  18. Anirban

    Anirban Well-Known Member R2R Supporter Partner Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2015
    Messages:
    3,209
    Likes Received:
    2,853
    Location:
    Chapel Hill, NC
    Dont overstress on it...its fine if it stays at 370.
     
  19. 120reefkeeper

    120reefkeeper Reef keeping with Military Precision! R2R Supporter Reef Squad Article Contributor Partner Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Messages:
    2,602
    Likes Received:
    4,116
    Full probiotic.

    I don't see anything odd that your doing so I'd just stay the course.
     
  20. Rogue Snail

    Rogue Snail Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    5
    I got myself a bucket of Probiotic today ,I'm gonna try it for a few months.
    Probably gonna try and drop down the 1+2+3+ dosing .
    200ml for a 125gl system seems high.
    I also mix it myself .
    Anyways thx for the info guys ,I also do things in a Military way.
    Reefing was always more of a discipline than a hobby to me.;)
     
    Anirban and 120reefkeeper like this.

Share This Page

Loading...