Polythoa toxic?

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Brady4000

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It’s a brother to our hobby.
Just out of curiosity. How? Are they taking down LFS because reefers didn’t get informed of something? Or it just bugs you like the coffee thing?

I am guessing you meant “bother”.

There is some Irony, in the misspelling lol. But I’ll play nice, I do it all the time.

edit: looking two post down at what @tbrown3589 said. I guess it’s irony all over, myself included rofl. Hah.
 
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Just out of curiosity. How? Are they taking down LFS because reefers didn’t get informed of something? Or it just bugs you like the coffee thing?

I am guessing you meant “bother”.

There is some Irony, in the misspelling lol. But I’ll play nice, I do it all the time.
I'm pretty sure he was saying we should be nice and help the 15 year old rather than saying he should have common sense. He was actually kind of agreeing with what you were saying.
 

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Errrr, this one's tough for me. I personally don't keep zoas or palys in my tanks partially due to this reason.. The other being that I don't usually like them enough to give up realstate in the tank. At work I don't have a problem with them, I just don't irritate them. I don't think level of toxicity matters, Palytoxin is the second most toxic non protein substance, so even a "low level" toxicity could be deadly. One time at work a coworker accidently ripped one up when cleaning off the egg crate in the frag tank. Closed up dark color polyp on black egg crate can be hard to see. Luckily he noticed what had happened and cleared out right away. Things happen.
 

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Just a thought -
I know squat about reptiles except their names and if they have big teeth. If I walked into a reptile store and bought a “Cool looking” snake and they didn’t mention to me it is poisonous should the shop feel guilty or be partially to blame for the customers death or hospital visit?
I agree, I hate stupid labels and signs that we have to look at to protect someone else’s money but I think a little word should be mentioned to Zoa/Paly buyers out of respect or just small talk during the purchase. I guess this gets tiring bringing it up to customers that already know the possible danger. Im attaching another article that pop up, I posted one earlier in thread. It just shows that even though rare it does happen. Knowledge is Power-Francise Bacon
 
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Just a thought -
I know squat about reptiles except their names and if they have big teeth. If I walked into a reptile store and bought a “Cool looking” snake and they didn’t mention to me it is poisonous should the shop feel guilty or be partially to blame for the customers death or hospital visit?
I agree, I hate stupid labels and signs that we have to look at to protect someone else’s money but I think a little word should be mentioned to Zoa/Paly buyers out of respect or just small talk during the purchase. I guess this gets tiring bringing it up to customers that already know the possible danger. Im attaching about her article that pop up, I posted another one earlier in thread. It just shows that even though rare it does happen. Knowledge is Power-Francise Bacon
Unfortunately that's kind of a catch-22. Expecting a pet store employee to know about everything they sell instead of expecting the purchaser to know about what they're purchasing. I know that even some of my favorite LFS have to hire people and the ones that have both fresh and salt aren't always able to hire people that are experts at both or even either. I have seen some employees sell a 10 gallon tank and an Oscar to a customer. I stopped that from happening. The employee had no clue because the Oscar was so small and cute still. I admit, I've also taken advantage of those situations and purchased a $20 pleco for $1.99 because the employee didn't know what he was selling me. It's unfortunate but that's where us fellow reef keepers come in. Warning labels are often overlooked because everything causes cancer in California. Pet store employees or even owners can sell something without fully understanding what it is or even potential hazards. How many thousands of reef keepers have the toxic palys in their tank and have no clue of the possible dangers? Yet most of them have never been exposed to it or had any reaction to it if they were. I got mine from a guy who had no clue what they were even though he specializes in Zoas and Palys. He said they're just the common brown paly most people start with. I put them in my tank and they went Arctic Ice on me.
 

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Unfortunately that's kind of a catch-22. Expecting a pet store employee to know about everything they sell instead of expecting the purchaser to know about what they're purchasing. I know that even some of my favorite LFS have to hire people and the ones that have both fresh and salt aren't always able to hire people that are experts at both or even either. I have seen some employees sell a 10 gallon tank and an Oscar to a customer. I stopped that from happening. The employee had no clue because the Oscar was so small and cute still. I admit, I've also taken advantage of those situations and purchased a $20 pleco for $1.99 because the employee didn't know what he was selling me. It's unfortunate but that's where us fellow reef keepers come in. Warning labels are often overlooked because everything causes cancer in California. Pet store employees or even owners can sell something without fully understanding what it is or even potential hazards. How many thousands of reef keepers have the toxic palys in their tank and have no clue of the possible dangers? Yet most of them have never been exposed to it or had any reaction to it if they were. I got mine from a guy who had no clue what they were even though he specializes in Zoas and Palys. He said they're just the common brown paly most people start with. I put them in my tank and they went Arctic Ice on me.
I hear ya, you bring up some good and funny points.
-Warning labels are often overlooked because everything causes cancer in California.
 

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Even when you do know the risks it can still cause major issues me and my husband knew about palytoxin were careful with the new coral we both wore gloves his leaked mine didn't he's been really sick for days now had found the species almost the same day but were labeled a common from the fish store(we thought nuclear green someone else mentioned artic ice) and found they had a higher level of toxin even with the internet (and also think about it a lot of people still don't have access easily) you can do all the research in the world and still not come up with all the answers or get the wrong answers or freak accidents happen personally I think even if lable warnings(at least on important things) are ignored at least then people might think hm maybe that's what caused this
 

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Even when you do know the risks it can still cause major issues me and my husband knew about palytoxin were careful with the new coral we both wore gloves his leaked mine didn't he's been really sick for days now had found the species almost the same day but were labeled a common from the fish store(we thought nuclear green someone else mentioned artic ice) and found they had a higher level of toxin even with the internet (and also think about it a lot of people still don't have access easily) you can do all the research in the world and still not come up with all the answers or get the wrong answers or freak accidents happen personally I think even if lable warnings(at least on important things) are ignored at least then people might think hm maybe that's what caused this
Sorry to hear...Hope he is through the worst..Keep us updated ..
 

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And also I think those are the same as mine artic ice or nuclear greens sorry didn't realize I didn't post the picture in my 1st post he's doing a little better now but still feels absolutely horrible yes it's uncommon for a reaction from something a simple as introduction and regular cleaning yes people should do their own research but they should at least warn people when they are buying
 

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Lol now your going to get my fired up... yea I hate those labels and it rubs me wrong, because I know someone, somewhere sued someone and got rich for a hot cup of coffee.

I guess where we disagree is that coral toxicity isn’t common sense. But to each their own.
This coffee lawsuit that everyone always cites as example of frivolous lawsuits was anything but frivolous. Coffee is supposed to be served between 120° and 140°. This McDonald’s served their coffee at 190° which made the styrofoam cup they served it in unstable and flimsy. In trying to take the lid off to put in cream and sugar, the cup buckled and the entire contents were split on the lap of a 79 year old women. She suffered 3rd degree burns all over her thighs, genitals, and buttocks. She was in the hospital for 8 days where she had to have multiple skin grafts, during which time she lost 20lbs (she weighed 83lbs at discharge). She then spent an additional 3 weeks in a private rehab. McDonalds was absolutely at fault, they were knowingly serving coffee 50° hotter than they were supposed to as per corporate policy. And she didn’t get millions (the initial judgment was for 3 million, but it was appealed and later settled), she got $640k, which probably a third went to her attorneys and another $200k went to medical bills, so she probably only ended up with 200k for pain and suffering. The media at the time tried to turn this case into a political issue, but it wasn’t a frivolous lawsuit, McDonalds was negligent, and a 79 year old lady was mamed because of it.

I’ll be the first to call out frivolous lawsuits, but when a company is negligent and hurts somebody, they should have to pay.

When I was in my early twenties, I went to Las Vegas with some friends, and one night at a casino, after gambling all night, we went to their buffet. They had lobster and they had this big vat of melted butter with these little cups next to it. So I grabbed one and used the little ladle to put some in a cup. The cup immediately melted, like on contact, all over my hand. The plastic and sizzling butter left third degree burns all over my hand. The casino did an accident report and said they’d pay for any hospital bills (they said someone turned up the warmer for the butter up too high). I was drunk and didn’t go to the hospital that night, and then next day I flew home. Once I got home I wound up going to the ER, and ended up with a few thousand dollars worth of medical bills. As soon as I got the bill, I contacted the casino, and they gave me the run around, and long story short, they said they weren’t paying anything. Because it was over a thousand miles away in a different state, I just let it go, but I regret not pursuing it.

Companies should be held accountable when their negligence harms people.
 

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Even when you do know the risks it can still cause major issues me and my husband knew about palytoxin were careful with the new coral we both wore gloves his leaked mine didn't he's been really sick for days now had found the species almost the same day but were labeled a common from the fish store(we thought nuclear green someone else mentioned artic ice) and found they had a higher level of toxin even with the internet (and also think about it a lot of people still don't have access easily) you can do all the research in the world and still not come up with all the answers or get the wrong answers or freak accidents happen personally I think even if lable warnings(at least on important things) are ignored at least then people might think hm maybe that's what caused this
Best wishes to both of you!
 
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I’m just saying I would feel guilty selling something toxic to a 13 year old not knowing if he/she has access to research or not. I remember being in my teens 25 years ago and I for sure didn’t know back then what I know today. All I had access to was old printed books
 
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