Possible disease on qt'd fish

[Syntax1235]

I think all my fish are dealing with some kind of disease. The bodies of the fish look different, some with very tiny specks, others with ich like spots, but they all have a patchy film blotches on their fins. The fish are acting normal and eating well.

Could all this just be sand or debris? The tank is bb.

All the fish I added to the tank have been from vendors who qt. I did add some inverts from reefcleanersI’ve tried to take some video. Can anyone diagnose?

I can't embed the video for some reason.... here's a youtube link: Is this Ich?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I think all my fish are dealing with some kind of disease. The bodies of the fish look different, some with very tiny specks, others with ich like spots, but they all have a patchy film blotches on their fins. The fish are acting normal and eating well.

Could all this just be sand or debris? The tank is bb.

All the fish I added to the tank have been from vendors who qt. I did add some inverts from reefcleanersI’ve tried to take some video. Can anyone diagnose?

I can't embed the video for some reason.... here's a youtube link: Is this Ich?

Can you take a video under white light? The two spots at the back of the fish aren't ich, but I can't tell if there are other spots on the fish....

Jay

 

[Syntax1235]

I'll take some tomorrow.... I'll be able to get much better pictures and video when the halides are on. Thank you for taking time to look.

 

[Syntax1235]

Here is a video of the scopas with lots of something on it. The fish sleeps under a rock and scrapes along the bottom of the glass when going in and out of that spot. The bottom of the glass has quite of sand bits floating around except where the scopas enters the sleeping area. The scopas is acting normal and constantly grazes on the rocks and not showing any signs of distress


i can not get the videos to play in a browser, there’s an option to play in the app which worked. Sorry for the hoops.

Scopas Video

Scopas Video 2

Scopas Video 3

 

[Jay Hemdal]

That is ich on the Scopas. Fo you have a treatment tank available? The best treatment would be coppersafe, but hyposalinity would also work. Of course, neither of those can be employed with invertebrates present.
Jay

 

[Syntax1235]

I have a tank that is cycled that I can use for QT... It's only a 20 gallon tall, might be a tight fit for all four fish? I have copper power on hand, would that work too?

I was hoping that it was just just debris from the bottom of the tank. Is that not probable? The scopas rubs the bottom of the tank when going into its hiding place quite frequently.

This is frustrating since I purchased the fish qt'd. Catching the fish is going to be a challenge. I won't have time until next weekend.

I appreciate your time and help.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I don’t think it is debris. Tangs do get mucus plugs, but those are usually larger and don’t show up on fins. In the video, I thought I could pretty clearly see small spots on the fins, pointing me more towards ich. You could get the 20 gallon set up and watch for few more days before deciding to start the treatment.
Copper Power is essentially the same as coppersafe….
Jay

 

[Syntax1235]

All the fish have some spots or blotches on the fins. I’ll take them out this weekend and begin treatment. I can get my hands on a 40 breeder which should be sufficient for the 42 days if I keep the display at 80 degrees?

 

[Dierks]

This is frustrating since I purchased the fish qt'd.

Can I ask you where you got these fish from? You can DM me if you rather not say here. Or of course you certainly dont have to answer. Thanks.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

All the fish have some spots or blotches on the fins. I’ll take them out this weekend and begin treatment. I can get my hands on a 40 breeder which should be sufficient for the 42 days if I keep the display at 80 degrees?

You should get a treatment started in 48 hours or less. Once ich gets a firm foothold, it is much more difficult to cure. Also, copper medications take about 3 days to begin to work, so the fish will get sicker during that time.

The absolute minimum fallow period is 45 days at 81 degrees. That can still allow for reinfection in a few instances. 60 days is more of a sure thing.

Jay

 

[Syntax1235]

You should get a treatment started in 48 hours or less. Once ich gets a firm foothold, it is much more difficult to cure. Also, copper medications take about 3 days to begin to work, so the fish will get sicker during that time.

The absolute minimum fallow period is 45 days at 81 degrees. That can still allow for reinfection in a few instances. 60 days is more of a sure thing.

Jay

Thank you for the information. This situation has caught me unprepared. I’m hoping to get the fish out tomorrow evening and begin treatment. I’ll have to keep the copper level low until my Hannah checker is delivered on Thursday.

Going to be a very busy week!

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Thank you for the information. This situation has caught me unprepared. I’m hoping to get the fish out tomorrow evening and begin treatment. I’ll have to keep the copper level low until my Hannah checker is delivered on Thursday.

Going to be a very busy week!

If you know the exact volume of your tank (not just what they "call it") you should be able to get to about a 75% dose without a test kit. Then, you can edge up to a full dose using the test kit. With tanks that I know the exact volume (plus or minus 5%) - I add a full dose of coppersafe without testing

Jay

 

[Syntax1235]

If you know the exact volume of your tank (not just what they "call it") you should be able to get to about a 75% dose without a test kit. Then, you can edge up to a full dose using the test kit. With tanks that I know the exact volume (plus or minus 5%) - I add a full dose of coppersafe without testing

Jay

Makes perfect sense. I’m picking up a 40 breeder, should be plenty of room. Should also be easy to determine exact volume.

im dreading trying to catch the fish, I hope I don’t have to take all the rock out.

 

[Syntax1235]

Hi Jay,

some interesting events to report. The Kole Tang that came from a vendor who qt’d didn’t look great when I put it in the tank. I didn’t think much of it because he eventually started eating and has been relatively fine, but looking a little thin. The tang ate this morning and was swimming around. My wife found him on his side this afternoon and he did not eat. He spends most of his time on his side. I was able to catch it along with the foxface, put them in the qt, and started cooper power. I put 1.5 ounces in approximately 33 gallons of water. I’ll adjust the dose on Thursday, but there should be a therapeutic amount in the tank. I’m hoping to catch the two other fish tomorrow.

here’s a picture of the kole tang.





Video of Koke Tang: Kole Tang

 

[Jay Hemdal]

The kole is breathing rapidly. That is not a symptom of ich until the later stages. Does the tank water test out ok? No ammonia, good aeration? If so, you may have a mixed infection of ich and velvet. Sorry, likely there is nothing more to be done but to wait and see if the copper has time to help.

Jay

 

[Syntax1235]

The kole is breathing rapidly. That is not a symptom of ich until the later stages. Does the tank water test out ok? No ammonia, good aeration? If so, you may have a mixed infection of ich and velvet. Sorry, likely there is nothing more to be done but to wait and see if the copper has time to help.

Jay

The Kole Tang is indeed breathing rapidly as of yesterday afternoon, he never looked right but acted fine for the two weeks or so that he has been in the tank. He's currently in QT almost upside down with his gills moving quickly. I thought he was dead but when I added some top off he moved around upright and then went back to being almost upside down.

Tank is 8 weeks,150 gallons, and was seeded with cycled media. I used mostly dry rock and about 20 lbs of kp rock. The tank is supporting acropora, encrusting and good color.

Parameters:
No ammonia or Nitrite (haven't seen these since the first week or so)
Alk: 7
Cal: 450
Mag: 1300 (haven't tested in a few weeks)
Nitrate: 10 (Red Sea)
P04: .06 (hanna)




i caught the foxface sleeping. Looks clean to me.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

The Kole tang is what is called "moribund" or close to death, it may have died during the day....

So - does the scopas still have spots and no spots on the foxface?

Jay

 

[Syntax1235]

Kole died this afternoon. Attached are pictures. Any clue here?

Mimic, Foxface, and Scopas are all in qt and sitting in copper. Caught them tonight. I have metro and prazi coming on Thursday. I need to research how to use those meds.

I had some macro rocks that I didn’t use for the build, so I put those in for the fish. Is this ok?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Kole died this afternoon. Attached are pictures. Any clue here?

Mimic, Foxface, and Scopas are all in qt and sitting in copper. Caught them tonight. I have metro and prazi coming on Thursday. I need to research how to use those meds.

I had some macro rocks that I didn’t use for the build, so I put those in for the fish. Is this ok?

Can’t really tell much on dead fish without a microscope. The Marco rock is carbonate based, right? If so it will tend to absorb copper, making you add more. Then, the rock may release copper when you don’t want it to later on.
Jay

 

[Syntax1235]

I’ll remove the rock tomorrow and replace with more pvc. Thank you.