Powder blue tang white lumps/fungus

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  1. Simo2004

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    Right then i have a feeling this us my fault

    U have a PBT Moorish idol and emperor angel in QT

    They showed no sign of diseases but i always give them 14 days of cupramine.. wished id used CP now

    Eveything was fine for 6 days all feeding etc

    Today i noticed the tang in the corner not swiming or feeding

    When i look closely i can see some white on its fin and white spores/lumps running along its side following the pattern of HIIL

    I need better lights on the tank to get a video which i will today

    With it been xmas i feel ive t
    Let things slip should of been more on top

    Will get a video up just need a action plan which will be a 50% water change or would you catch and remove to its own QT

    The other 2 fish look fine tho



    Ian
     
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    Sounds like it could be Lymphocystis, but hard to say without photos or a video, yeah.

    Vitamin-soaking any food would certainly be a good step if you are not already. Water change wouldn't hurt. I wouldn't bother removing it to it's own QT; whether it's Lympho or HLLE, the treatment is the same (healthy conditions, good food, observation) and you'll want all the fish in there to get that anyways. No reason to stress yourself out running another tank.
     
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    Hi working on video once the family haa left i will be in the fish house lol

    Ive seen lymp before u could be right

    If bacteria whats the protocol here in the U.K. i dont think there is as much as the states
     
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    There you go he us worse than i thought

    Its a poor video the other fish love the camera lol

    What would you suggest??

    The ro machine us running so can do 50% or more if you say??

    That will remove or half thw copper should i switch to CP

    Any advice as he isnt eating
     
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    Better video to see other side
     
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    I don't think that this is Lymphocystis, nor a fungus. I have seen it before (in angelfish), and put it down to an adverse reaction to copper. In my case, after a few weeks in my DT, these white lumps vanished, and have not returned.

    ~Bruce
     
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    Did they go off food??

    Im tempted to remove into another qt tank so it can rest and use CP

    Better water quality and no extra stress once moved

    What do you think about its fin??
     
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    The angels, as I recall, continued to eat.

    Your tang's dorsal fin looks like a spot of Lymphocystis - no worries there - but the pectoral fin looks possibly bacterial in nature. The other thing that's worrying me here is his breathing rate, which is much higher than it should be.

    Second QT sounds like a pretty good idea at the moment.

    ~Bruce
     
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    Agreed.. breathing heavy not eating could be doomed

    Ive set up the second tank with water and a seeded from the display which is waiting for the fish etc i will catch at night to minimize stress

    What would you treat with if bacteria i only have CP! which i know wont help but may help if something else

    problem is its new year so shops be shut :(
     
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    For bacterial illness, many (myself included) have found success with a "trifecta" of Metroplex, Kanaplex and Furan-2. I've also heard good things about Nitrofuracin Green, but have never used it.

    ~Bruce
     
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    hi thanks do you have any links for these cant find in the uk
     
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    this is what i can find
     
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    Unfortunately, I have experience with only one of those - Melafix. It's mild and gentle on the fish, but may be milder and gentler than you'd like on the bacteria as well.

    The Myxazin and NT labs formulations make anti-bacterial claims, but don't seem to list their active ingredients anywhere I can find in a quick look 'round, so there's no way I can evaluate them.

    ~Bruce
     
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    thanks for the reply

    im stuck then lol



    after a hour hes swimming around in a 45ltr tank

    i adde CP at 20mg /L not sure if it will help but least it will rule out something
     
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    Breathing, at least, seems rather better.

    ~Bruce, hopeful
     
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    not my day it was dead this morning :(
     
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    Very sorry to hear that, Simo2004. Powderblues are beautiful fish - but like much that is beautiful, can be high-maintenance.

    ~Bruce
     
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    yes um putting this down to poor water quality

    u have a blue ring in another tank and where the WS has exited the fish i can see little white spores starting ive seen this before some years ago

    50 % water change today and will go from there !

    obly 5 more days of copper then there is a nice 2000+ ltr for them to go in
     
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    right i managed to get hold of some seachem canaplex had a read on here and people have used with copper

    ive added this to the 190ltr qt that has the other powder blue in thats got similar symptoms. 9.5 scoopes 1 scoop per 20ltr for a max of 3 treatments

    ian
     
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