inexpensive, many hundreds reported battles won w vibrant, your tank is not loaded with detritus so tradeoff cyano isnt likely/do consider it yes nice teamwork options
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Checked with hanna ulr it came in at .90!Well, what are your phosphates?
As I mentioned earlier, I used Vibrant, copepods, and phytoplankton to try to outcompete the Dino's. My nutrients were much lower than your NO3.
What I forgot to mention was that I thoroughly cleaned my sand as @brandon429 is suggesting. Something is feeding the Dino's, and there isn't anything outcompeting them.
I would try to rid my tank of all detritus before using anything else.
A few thoughts. If it's amphidinium, it's the hardest of the dino species to eradicate IMO since it doesn't go in to the water column at night and is therefor not responsive to UV...
#3 dosing silicates to increase diatoms seems to help most species.
#4 This only my thought not the predominant theory but dosing beneficial bacteria helped me tremendously with amphidinium. Whether it's Dr Tim's Wasteaway, Vibrant, Microbacter 7, etc. It seems to help...
Just a small 24w green killing machine.
UV 118%
Violet 115%
Royal 49%
Blue 38% evrything else is 0%
Could you explain further on sand test?
So about to add the second dose of dino x, Dosent seem dinos are going away but doesnt look worse also.You mentioned that you were trying Dino X. How has the response been so far? If it doesn't work, then I recommend MicroBactor 7 and Si dosing to get diatoms blooming. One of the biological byproducts of diatoms is polyunsaturated aldehydes, PAUs, which are toxic to dinos. Thus why reefers will instigate a diatom bloom during a dino outbreak.
Given that amphidinium loves the sand, that suggests they are going after the bacteria that live there. So dosing bacteria to compete would explain why some people are able to beat it that way. You may just need to dose the right kind of bacteria. It sounds like Vibrant didn't work, so maybe another culture from another brand will.
Your UV should be enough but as stated above UV has proven to be ineffective against amphidinium.
Maybe I'm just not familiar with your lights, but how do you get over 100% from the UV and violet?
I thought he was saying the sand was removed, the dinos appeared to go away, he put some back in to see if the dinos would return and there was no sign of them blooming on the readded sand. Some people have to remove their sand to get rid of amphidinium and can't put it back in for several months without a relapse.
I thought the directions said 1 ml per 10 gal every week or every 2 depending on tank. Why did you dose every day?Did you read my thread? I was dosing 50ml a day of Vibrant to knock it out!
The small cells I had were all over the sand but way worse in a couple of spots (back corners). If I vacuumed the sand, they would also be back there covering it within a day. Most likely because this was undisturbed (Goby got a lot of others) and a natural place for detritus to collect.Could you explain further on sand test?
gotcha if I take sand out will keep that in mindThe small cells I had were all over the sand but way worse in a couple of spots (back corners). If I vacuumed the sand, they would also be back there covering it within a day. Most likely because this was undisturbed (Goby got a lot of others) and a natural place for detritus to collect.
Anyways, after I removed the sand, and waited a few months. I tested to see if they would come back by putting sand in the back corners where they were the worst before. Nothing appeared. Nothing has for over a month.
I really do need to take another same with the scope to know for sure or see if they are in other biomass (algae on glass for example) but they seem to be gone...
So about to add the second dose of dino x, Dosent seem dinos are going away but doesnt look worse also.
I have the Ai primes HD which I can use the power not used and chancel it into other light colors. So as Im not using white channel I can use that extra power and add it to another color such as violet
Not wanting to remove sand due to aesthetics and my wrasse
I thought the directions said 1 ml per 10 gal every week or every 2 depending on tank. Why did you dose every day?
As im dosing dino x I notice long lines of clean glass. My 2 urchins are doing work! An entire side pane of glass is dino free, Also now I can see how long it takes to grow back. Would you guys also recommend me carbon dosing (vinegar) to get nutrients down?
I am currently in the second bout of using Dr Tim's regimen found here: https://s3.amazonaws.com/brsinstructions/brsDrTims/DrTims_Dinoflagellate_Recipe_BRS.pdf
On the first go round the dinos moved to my sump, so they reappeared in the tank a couple of weeks later. I did a second blackout and am dosing WasteAway currently on day 4 and have had great results so far. I have ostreopsis, which may be much easier to rid oneself of, but Dr Tims is cheap enough on Amazon if you check the pricing for different sizes...
Good luck!
Just preformed a very small wc. Changed socks, cleaned skimmer and prepared my carbon reactor for some rox.8 carbon. Just small things. Should I be doing water changes?
Thanks for the help, Will continue my Dino X till the 30 day mark even if it doesn't seem to work. postponed wc for now and will continue to update the thread.You getting a ton of info and recomendations here which I imagine is overwhelming. It's never a good idea to listen to everyone. It is a good idea to listen to someone, especially if they have first hand experience with your situation and their tank is what you want yours to be like some day. While I don't recommend Dino X, I do encourage you to give it a fair shot and see your current treatment through. A bunch of half worked through solutions never worked for me. With that said, here some more info to chew on should Dino X not work and you want to try something else.
Thanks for the light explanation. It's my understanding that AI lights can have some pretty high PAR when the intensity is turned up. While it is all on the blue side, it's still going to affect the dinos. If you are reluctant to do a blackout, then I recommend decreasing the intensity by half and see if that makes a difference over the course of a week or two.
He over dosed because F dinos! ;Punch I guess he wanted to try an extreme situation and it worked for him.
I do not recommend dosing carbon to lower nutrients because bottoming out nutrients is how you get dinos in the first place.
Amphidinium do seem to respond to bacteria dosing. I do recommend a sand cleaning and dosing per the bottle instructions.
Water changes tend to make dino blooms slightly, but noticeably worse. I don't recommend it. But you will need to replenish water that was removed from a sand cleaning.