Red Sea E170 max AIO mixed reef build - first reef tank

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Rose BTA provisioned itself and I really hope it stays there. Not too near any corals and in a good spot to see it.
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Beautiful! I’ve had many of those but few who established themselves in such a nice spot.
 
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So I made a significant mistake chasing a higher pH and not thinking through what an additive can do. My pH has been on the low side around 7.7-7.9. I added a CO2 scrubber to my skimmer intake and that helped a little, maybe 0.1 on average. I was looking for another option. I would like to add a algae scrubber, but that’s not that easy on a smaller AIO, and the external ones that look good and are reasonably priced are all out of stock (specifically the Tunze).

I happened upon Aquavitro Balance in my LFS - as the bottle says, “balance™ is an optimized blend of sodium and potassium hydroxides with a NSW ratio (27:1)”. Well, I thought, if my pH is low, as some base! I started out with small amounts and there was some bump in pH. I slowly increased the amount I was doing until the pH was up around 8.1-8.2 on average. I thought this was a good solution. I was surprised that the pH dropped quickly if I missed a dose, and I didn’t want to have to keep dosing it long term, but I didn’t think it was too big of a deal if it would help coral growth.

Then I noticed my bubble coral really started retracting and I started getting bleaching/tissue loss on some of my SPS that had previously been doing just fine. At first I thought maybe my nitrates and phos were too high (36 and 0.12), so I started carbon dosing, doing some additional water changes and added some GFO and overtime got my nitrates down to 7-10 and phos down to 0.03-0.06. However those corals weren’t looking better, they were doing worse. I don’t know why I didn’t really pay attention to my alkalinity, but it has been creeping up, but I hadn’t checked it in awhile because I really was only concerned it might get too low and that has not been an issue since I still have small frags and do regular water changes. When I rechecked, the alkalinity was 16.3 (!).

Why so high? I couldn’t figure it out at first. I didn’t think it was the balance, because that wasn’t adding carbonate. My first thought was a problem with my RODI water. I checked that and there was no issue.

Then I listened to the Reef Therapy podcast and there were talking about pH and CO2 in the tank and I finally realized how stupid I had been. Of course there a constant supply of CO2 to the tank and by adding hydroxide I was driving significant addition of carbonate to the tank. 2 NaOH (s) + CO2 (g) →Na2CO3 (aq) + H2O (l). It was so obvious when I realized it that I obviously felt like an idiot. I stopped dosing and have done a series of large water changes. It’s not down to 11.5.

I ended up losing a number of SPS frags and the bubble coral. Definitely learned some important lessons.
 

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So I made a significant mistake chasing a higher pH and not thinking through what an additive can do. My pH has been on the low side around 7.7-7.9. I added a CO2 scrubber to my skimmer intake and that helped a little, maybe 0.1 on average. I was looking for another option. I would like to add a algae scrubber, but that’s not that easy on a smaller AIO, and the external ones that look good and are reasonably priced are all out of stock (specifically the Tunze).

I happened upon Aquavitro Balance in my LFS - as the bottle says, “balance™ is an optimized blend of sodium and potassium hydroxides with a NSW ratio (27:1)”. Well, I thought, if my pH is low, as some base! I started out with small amounts and there was some bump in pH. I slowly increased the amount I was doing until the pH was up around 8.1-8.2 on average. I thought this was a good solution. I was surprised that the pH dropped quickly if I missed a dose, and I didn’t want to have to keep dosing it long term, but I didn’t think it was too big of a deal if it would help coral growth.

Then I noticed my bubble coral really started retracting and I started getting bleaching/tissue loss on some of my SPS that had previously been doing just fine. At first I thought maybe my nitrates and phos were too high (36 and 0.12), so I started carbon dosing, doing some additional water changes and added some GFO and overtime got my nitrates down to 7-10 and phos down to 0.03-0.06. However those corals weren’t looking better, they were doing worse. I don’t know why I didn’t really pay attention to my alkalinity, but it has been creeping up, but I hadn’t checked it in awhile because I really was only concerned it might get too low and that has not been an issue since I still have small frags and do regular water changes. When I rechecked, the alkalinity was 16.3 (!).

Why so high? I couldn’t figure it out at first. I didn’t think it was the balance, because that wasn’t adding carbonate. My first thought was a problem with my RODI water. I checked that and there was no issue.

Then I listened to the Reef Therapy podcast and there were talking about pH and CO2 in the tank and I finally realized how stupid I had been. Of course there a constant supply of CO2 to the tank and by adding hydroxide I was driving significant addition of carbonate to the tank. 2 NaOH (s) + CO2 (g) →Na2CO3 (aq) + H2O (l). It was so obvious when I realized it that I obviously felt like an idiot. I stopped dosing and have done a series of large water changes. It’s not down to 11.5.

I ended up losing a number of SPS frags and the bubble coral. Definitely learned some important lessons.
Sorry about your troubles. The dosing mistakes I have made could fill a thread. Alkalinity (too high or too low) and nitrate/ phosphate (if too low) seem to be he least forgiving. Keep an eye on N&P since you are dosing carbon.
 
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Sorry about your troubles. The dosing mistakes I have made could fill a thread. Alkalinity (too high or too low) and nitrate/ phosphate (if too low) seem to be he least forgiving. Keep an eye on N&P since you are dosing carbon.
Yeah, I have been checking those frequently. I wish I had been checking the alkalinity as frequently!
 

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Wow! I am really impressed at how your tank progressed. So awesome so fast. I am less concerned about the ambition of my own build now. This is a really great thread and I will keep following for sure! Great job with the documentation and pictures too!
 
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My one torch coral (two head green with blue tips) lost one head in the past day. Down to just skeleton. I thought I saw some brown jelly, so I took it out, cut off the skeletal branch for the dead head, did a 1:20 hydrogen peroxide dip for 4 minutes with constant swirling (as recommended here on r2r) and then rinsed really well with Tank water. I put it in the opposite side of the tank my other euphyllia and will be keeping a close eye on it. I don’t have coral qt tank or time to set one up today. We’ll see. It was my favorite (and single most expensive) coral, so I hope it pulls through
 
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Overall tank is doing well. I've added a new replacement bubble coral (after losing the last with the alkalinity splike). I also added two trumpet coral colonies and some new sps coral. No new fish, but I did add a red thorny star fish.

My rose bubble tip anemone is still alive, but definitely but thriving. It's moved to a spot with a little more light so hopefully that will help

I would like to add a tunze algae scrubber, but it is not available for sale anywhere.

While taking the pictures I did spot one colony of aiptasia, so I'll have to take care of that soon.

Anyway, enjoy the pictures and the video on the prior post

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Awesome job on the video, tank is looking great!

Where in Wisconsin are you? I wouldn't ming grabbing some if that aiptasia from you for my berghia nudibranch farm I want to get running.
 
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Awesome job on the video, tank is looking great!

Where in Wisconsin are you? I wouldn't ming grabbing some if that aiptasia from you for my berghia nudibranch farm I want to get running.
I'm in Brookfield. That's the only aiptasia I know of in the tank
 
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Got my cabinet all nicely organized. I found some nice Cabinet locks to toddler proof the door. These with great to automatically lock the door and have a hidden latch that can be opened with a magnet. If doing a lot of work the locking mechanism can be disengaged. The latch has adhesive tape to attach to the door, but also has holes for screws to really secure the latch.
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Proof my cabinet and equipment of all nicely organized.
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I also really like these bamboo holders for all the miscellaneous stuff. I have one for my Reef Tank, one for my testing equipment, and one for my freshwater tanks
MobileVision Bamboo Multi-Purpose Caddy with Handle

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Added a new torch, a war paint scolymia, some new Acropora, and a red goniopora
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I also added a Red Sea reef wave 25 gyre to increase flow for the sps at the top of the rock work
 

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