Jebao is affordable but i have really only liked the Gyre. And sizing for your tank can be a little of a bear...to little or too much some times. for example i ordered the scp 70 and should have got the 90 or 120. For pumps the MP's have really been the way to go, but expensive.right on, thank you everyone for you answers, i love that i can always count on you all. im able to make some much needed purchases for my tank today so i am really excited. now a second question - what with the controller on my gyres completely shot, is there a brand y'all recommend? should i do gyre or wavemakers? I know jebao makes good and affordable stuff, but i want to see what everyone else thinks.