Seller trying to persuade me the maxima clam I order online is the same one I am getting

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Same same. That aiptasia is more concerning :)
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lol did not see that got nudibranch working in the tank would be gone soon. thanks for actually taking time doing it, this thread is actually getting quite funny, what about the extra black dots on the left photos
 

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What is the whole point WYSIWYG then? Isn't that people get what they saw?
A fair question.
Also the reason I only buy corals in person if they are a specific strain I'm after.
Clams can be hard as the average LFS are less likely to stock them & they can be an "order in" item.
TMC here in the UK get mime for me & it's usually a case of graded clams or "ultra" vs generic.
I personally enjoy the surprise but I can certainly see why people want that specific item.
Clams are a bit like pokemom;)
 

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What is the whole point WYSIWYG then? Isn't that people get what they saw?
You did get what you saw.... the point it that you will never see what you saw in the photo anyway, so logically it really doesn't matter in the end unless you want to just be upset about the literality of WYSIWYG even if it doesn't matter. :)
 
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Definitely the same clam. Even if it was not (I truly believe it is), it's so similar I'm confused as to what the issue would be? I don't mean that in a flippant way. WYSIWYG should definitely be 1 for 1, I understand and agree, I just don't know what kind of remedy you would want to seek when they're so nearly identical.

The red circled part can be seen in the photo on the right, just a little more stretched, which is normal for clams as they open and close, as others said. You can see the spot where the lines don't quite meet in both images. I think the image from the seller is just more saturated, resulting in blurring/blending of the pattern.
tbf I don't have much issue with it, I am not complaining or anything. I was just asking for different views cause I thought they look different. And this clam was marked as "tear drop clam" I could argue the right one maybe? left one I don't know, since everybody think it is the same, I guess there is much I can say.
 

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Neither photo looks like it has "tear drop" patterning to me... but same thing, photos are hard to compare to real life clams.
 
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You did get what you saw.... the point it that you will never see what you saw in the photo anyway, so logically it really doesn't matter in the end unless you want to just be upset about the literality of WYSIWYG even if it doesn't matter. :)
I was not upset about the clam I got.... that is the point, I am just asking what u all think. I thought it could be me not seeing they are actually the same clam so I need to opinion on this.
 

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I was not upset about the clam I got.... that is the point, I am just asking what u all think. I thought it could be me not seeing they are actually the same clam so I need to opinion on this.
All good, I was just responding to your question :)
 

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What is the whole point WYSIWYG then? Isn't that people get what they saw?
With clams there is no such thing.. you can look at one at your lfs in their tank, bring it home into yours and as soon as it hits your lighting, your flow and it opens up the pattern and colors will look different. You did get a wysiwyg clam.. you got the clam you saw...their mantles are ever varying. the only way to know its the exact clam would be to look at the shell closed in both tanks. Those markings dont change in that short of time.
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This is a pic of the same clam innmy old tank. Photos were taken about a month apart. Top one by me, bottom one by a photographer for ARC.
 

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This happens a lot and there are a lot of variables. The lighting and amount the clam is open affects the pattern. The part you circle might only be that way at the exact amount of extension at the moment in that photo. More or less would distort the pattern
The reason I see this confusion IMO is because they don’t understand how the stretching and compression of the mantle gives drastically different patterns but I can’t tell if his needs to be more open or compact to match the sale picture but I believe its the same.
 

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And this clam was marked as "tear drop clam" I could argue the right one maybe? left one I don't know, since everybody think it is the same, I guess there is much I can say.

Neither photo looks like it has "tear drop" patterning to me... but same thing, photos are hard to compare to real life clams.
I was just going to say this but Bean beat me to it. But I won’t let that silence me. I’ll reinforce his comment.

And your comment above gives me more insight to the whole purpose of the thread

You bought what should be a teardrop clam. So it’s a type of clam known for a specific pattern, and you selected one you like, and the pattern for whatever reason isn’t what you expected and now are asking the forum what we think.

I will say - yes i think they are the same clam.

Also, was going to say this but bean beat me - neither photo looks like teardrop clams to me.

 

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Hang on…
All this talk about maxima clams, patterns, lighting angles, tear drops etc…

At the risk of opening another discussion, in all the pictures I can only see a crocea clam.

The pattern on the mantle is a classic crocea pattern. Lacking trade mark features of a maxima like black beads at regular intervals around the rim.
The OP’s picture shows the shell. That shows small scutes, 5 shallow indents (or how do you call those…). Crocea shell features. Not maxima.

So my 2 cents. The vendor cannot tell clam species apart. I think it is a very nice crocea clam and it’s very likely that the clam received is the same as pictured by the vendor.
 

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Hang on…
All this talk about maxima clams, patterns, lighting angles, tear drops etc…

At the risk of opening another discussion, in all the pictures I can only see a crocea clam.

The pattern on the mantle is a classic crocea pattern. Lacking trade mark features of a maxima like black beads at regular intervals around the rim.
The OP’s picture shows the shell. That shows small scutes, 5 shallow indents (or how do you call those…). Crocea shell features. Not maxima.

So my 2 cents. The vendor cannot tell clam species apart. I think it is a very nice crocea clam and it’s very likely that the clam received is the same as pictured by the vendor.
I dont believe the op ever said it was a maxima in the original post...they just said they felt it wasnt the same clam they selected from the vendor. Maybe i missed more of the story as it unfolded
 

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I dont believe the op ever said it was a maxima in the original post...they just said they felt it wasnt the same clam they selected from the vendor. Maybe i missed more of the story as it unfolded
The title of this topic is:
“Seller trying to persuade me the maxima clam I order online is the same one I am getting”
 

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The title of this topic is:
“Seller trying to persuade me the maxima clam I order online is the same one I am getting”
Seems to me this should be reason enough to return it, if the OP was searching for an excuse to do that. Me personally, I would just keep the clam and then never use that vendor again. Depending on forum rules, I might even put the seller on blast for duping me. But if I wanted a clam, and I liked the way that clam looked... I'd probably just keep it.
 

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you do realize that this is living tissue, that pattern may change shape, size or disappear altogether dependant on how far opened or closed the clam is. It looks like a perfect match to me.
 

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As others have said lighting, mantle extension and viewing angle will change how the clam looks. Its the same. I also think its a crocea. I have been incorrect on id before but pretty sure on this one.
Still all in all it is the same clam.
 

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