Seneye … anyone ever seen one or used one ?

[Rmckoy]

Curious if anyone has ever seen or used seneye monitors ?
Pros and cons of actually owning and using one ?

@vetteguy53081 is this something you can offer your hands on expertise on ?

 

[Gumbies R Us]

I know BRS did a video on this product, here is the link for it

 

[Cell]

@brandon429 likely has some thoughts on this

 

[vetteguy53081]

Curious if anyone has ever seen or used seneye monitors ?
Pros and cons of actually owning and using one ?

@vetteguy53081 is this something you can offer your hands on expertise on ?

I hear mixed reviews on them. At a cost of $250 to $300. Id rather stick my money into a PAR meter such as Apogee or an Alkatronic unit or similar.
I know 3 with this instrument and 1 says its great for ammonia while the other two say its off on ammonia and Ph and they like the alerts, sent directly to them via e-mail
I cant justify spending this for temp and PH and Ammonia reading . I have all these in Hanna digitals that were under $100 and like the concept of Seneye in general but like the Hanna vials, if the slide becomes contaminated or scratch, there will be a questionable result

 

[Rmckoy]

I hear mixed reviews on them. At a cost of $250 to $300. Id rather stick my money into a PAR meter such as Apogee or an Alkatronic unit or similar.
I know 3 with this instrument and 1 says its great for ammonia while the other two say its off on ammonia and Ph and they like the alerts, sent directly to them via e-mail
I cant justify spending this for temp and PH and Ammonia reading . I have all these in Hanna digitals that were under $100 and like the concept of Seneye in general but like the Hanna vials, if the slide becomes contaminated or scratch, there will be a questionable result

In an established system , there should never been any concern with ammonia ….
Apogee par meters are far more expensive from the last I’ve looked . And was considering this strictly for the par meter .
But …. I remember another post mentioning a monthly subscription required

 

[Rmckoy]

@brandon429 likely has some thoughts on this

From the last post I read he’s never seen one or owned one .

 

[Cell]

From the last post I read he’s never seen one or owned one .

But he understands the capabilities more than most. Nevermind then!

 

[Rohirrimus]

used one as par meter, device is quite nice. Annoying part is that you need web server to run it as monitoring device, and the web server isn't cheap. You could use something like a mini PC instead of a server but they only have windows application so you can't use raspberry pi.

 

[KStatefan]

I have one and liked it when I was starting my tank. The graph on ammonia was nice to see the cycle was working. I have not put a new slide in a year and it is just a secondary temp monitor now.

I use it with a virtual usb port on a raspberry pi.

 

[brandon429]

this is my take on seneye

I won't own one unless they donate me one for sending them about 600 new buyers lol

ammonia is predictable in all reef display settings all of the time, I wouldn't pay to own something that tells me a param I already know in my system or for someone else's cycling or tank transfer job

that being said, I really like when other people own them, set them up, and calibrate them/benchmark them as compared to non digital ammonia meters because in that data set new cycling science evolves

those are the best meters on the market for showing *changes* in ammonia control stasis in a reef tank or a quarantine setup. those would be truly helpful above all meters for discerning when it's water change time in a low surface area quarantine setup. were I a fish handler/seller/prepper I'd for sure own some of those for managing quarantine systems. in any reef display where surface area does not run low I would not ever need one.

*the thing they do best is show changes in stasis, until we get 3-4 other digital nh3 meters to back up what seneye reads nobody knows what the true bottom line average turnover rate for ammonia>nitrite is among reef displays. seneyes if calibrated correctly show the range .001-.004 in about 98% of any stocked running reef display as the baseline, that may be + or - depending on the true pH of the system as stated but the bottom line is not important

what's important is that thousands of reef tanks do show that very very tight range vs api or red sea where they show .25-8ppm disgusting range on many systems lol, mass confusion

when people add test ammonia loading in seneye systems the precision machines show the rise then a 15 minute average drop of the ammonia test loading, across systems in pattern, which we can then use to help people who don't own seneye but still copy the same display tank ratios seneye users copy. from that situation we can rule in or out what their crappy non digital ammonia meters say to discern cycle status. what seneye owners post also applies to people who don't own seneye, that's a big deal linkage between systems.

we all set several pounds of live rock in the middle of the display and push warm circulating water across surfaces, this is what links us regarding cycles.

anyone who buys a seneye is primed to make leaps and bounds in cycle measurement studies such as ability to starve a cycle, does transferring tanks actually cause a mini cycle, does removing a sandbed from a reef instantly cause a cycle, how long do a set of rocks truly unassisted and just set in water take to build up a cycle, are there any real instances of a bottle bac cycle taking longer than ten days to complete. does prime actually reduce ammonia, do fish-in cycles + bottle bac actually harm fish (not if ammonia is controlled on day one) if I move rocks among tanks does that cause a mini cycle

does a degrading fish inside a tank challenge the ammonia control ability or not that much, all kinds of things we don't currently know could be answered by seneye owners.


all the things we all argue about on the site for years have the potential to be answered by seneye owners, that's why I like them.

I don't want to actually pay to discover those things I'll just wait until more and more seneye digital logs are placed on the web and take patterns from them.

 

[brandon429]

I don't have any data on their pH reliability or the PAR system they use, I only like them for the ways they remove ammonia control fears from their owners. api and red sea instill the fear, seneye removes the fear, that's the pattern I like about them.

 

[brandon429]

@Cell thank you for the relay

Lastly

Seneye cures this reef forum condition

HELP... 1.5ppm ammonia spike out of the blue

Hello, i am wondering if anyone else has come across this and if so what they found to be the cause. We have a 200 gallon system with sump, full of biological media and we regularly replace carbon as well as doing 30% monthly water changes. All of a sudden the tank is reading... 1.5ppm ammonia...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[ScubaFish802]

If only looking for a par meter look at this thread from last month maybe https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/parwise.952866/

 

[brandon429]

@blaxsun would you mind just posting a few data logs of your seneye nh3 readout please, if I'm not wrong u have one? curious what nh3 holds at on avg for yours

look how Chris adds a few drops of ammonia in the morning here, the baseline changes, then drops in 30 mins

didn't take 5 days to drop, like API or Red sea, it didn't take Prime or Chlor am ex to stop the claimed coming crash from a test load

30 mins, that's the gold in cycling science. that's what all reef tanks do, even if they don't have a seneye

that's what anyone who load tests a calibrated seneye sees/hidden clues of cycling shock absorber truth no other meter shows. that's where they shine.

 

[blaxsun]

@blaxsun would you mind just posting a few data logs of your seneye nh3 readout please, if I'm not wrong u have one? curious what nh3 holds at on avg for yours

I actually don't have one, but I did notice my LFS got some in the other day. I'd be curious what the Seneye tells me about my system, though (with the really high bio load).

 

[Derrick0580]

For the stuff it measures stick with hanna, apogee is far superior as a par meter, but with the release of the parwise it may be smarter to go with one of those. I have the apogee 510 but just got my parwise delivered yesterday and haven’t had a chance to compare the two although early reviews say the parwise reads lower than the apogee but boosting your par to the parwise readings results in better coral color and growth.

 

[Rmckoy]

this is my take on seneye

I won't own one unless they donate me one for sending them about 600 new buyers lol

ammonia is predictable in all reef display settings all of the time, I wouldn't pay to own something that tells me a param I already know in my system or for someone else's cycling or tank transfer job

that being said, I really like when other people own them, set them up, and calibrate them/benchmark them as compared to non digital ammonia meters because in that data set new cycling science evolves

those are the best meters on the market for showing *changes* in ammonia control stasis in a reef tank or a quarantine setup. those would be truly helpful above all meters for discerning when it's water change time in a low surface area quarantine setup. were I a fish handler/seller/prepper I'd for sure own some of those for managing quarantine systems. in any reef display where surface area does not run low I would not ever need one.

*the thing they do best is show changes in stasis, until we get 3-4 other digital nh3 meters to back up what seneye reads nobody knows what the true bottom line average turnover rate for ammonia>nitrite is among reef displays. seneyes if calibrated correctly show the range .001-.004 in about 98% of any stocked running reef display as the baseline, that may be + or - depending on the true pH of the system as stated but the bottom line is not important

what's important is that thousands of reef tanks do show that very very tight range vs api or red sea where they show .25-8ppm disgusting range on many systems lol, mass confusion

when people add test ammonia loading in seneye systems the precision machines show the rise then a 15 minute average drop of the ammonia test loading, across systems in pattern, which we can then use to help people who don't own seneye but still copy the same display tank ratios seneye users copy. from that situation we can rule in or out what their crappy non digital ammonia meters say to discern cycle status. what seneye owners post also applies to people who don't own seneye, that's a big deal linkage between systems.

we all set several pounds of live rock in the middle of the display and push warm circulating water across surfaces, this is what links us regarding cycles.

anyone who buys a seneye is primed to make leaps and bounds in cycle measurement studies such as ability to starve a cycle, does transferring tanks actually cause a mini cycle, does removing a sandbed from a reef instantly cause a cycle, how long do a set of rocks truly unassisted and just set in water take to build up a cycle, are there any real instances of a bottle bac cycle taking longer than ten days to complete. does prime actually reduce ammonia, do fish-in cycles + bottle bac actually harm fish (not if ammonia is controlled on day one) if I move rocks among tanks does that cause a mini cycle

does a degrading fish inside a tank challenge the ammonia control ability or not that much, all kinds of things we don't currently know could be answered by seneye owners.


all the things we all argue about on the site for years have the potential to be answered by seneye owners, that's why I like them.

I don't want to actually pay to discover those things I'll just wait until more and more seneye digital logs are placed on the web and take patterns from them.

But again . In an established system there should never be ammonia toxic enough to kill anything .

other than a par meter and a ph probe this monitor would be another useless gadget ?

and if you’re intentions of preaching their importance is strictly to receive one for free . Perhaps owning one or at least going to a lfs and putting your hands on the package to say you have saw one in person ?

 

[Rmckoy]

For the stuff it measures stick with hanna, apogee is far superior as a par meter, but with the release of the parwise it may be smarter to go with one of those. I have the apogee 510 but just got my parwise delivered yesterday and haven’t had a chance to compare the two although early reviews say the parwise reads lower than the apogee but boosting your par to the parwise readings results in better coral color and growth.

There was a brs investigates episode testing apogee vs seneye and another .
the seneye was comparable in terms of par .

 

[BeanAnimal]

Why does anybody need an ammonia meter? From what I read the par meter is not that accurate. Most tanks don’t need a pH probe either.

Brandon. I am not even sure I trust the accuracy of the ammonia readings. Maybe repeatable, but how do we know that they are accurate? (not that I really care anyway as there is no need to buy a meter to test it)

 

[Rmckoy]

@brandon429
The question I’m looking to answer is why we would need such device to accurately measure something that never be in our established systems .
as long as our systems are mature , and stable without over stocking a system that we all know not to .
There should never Be ammonia toxic enough to kill or even worry anyone .
Other than a digital readout of actual levels , and perhaps more precise number we have been reefing for many years with the same science , ( the nitrogen cycle ) is still required to maintain our eco systems we all
Love .
now the real question .
who would preach the importance of a device to do ……. Nothing other than provide an accurate number that really in the real world of reefing , it means nothing because we will always have minimal trace amounts of ammonia in our systems .

For many years I have thought of adding some sort of monitor or controller ,
But … the best part of the hobby for me is 1) testing and dosing ,
2) relaxing watching the ecosystem I have created