Sickly Porcupine Puffer

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Hello, I need advice as my wife and I have tried everything and dont know what else to try.
We purchased a sick Porcupine Puffer from a LFS 8 days ago who had obvious ICH, probably flukes, and looked skinny.
We put him in a 10 gallon quarantine with cycled sponge filters and a 78 degree heater, his salinity at the store was .30 and we brought him down to .24 slowly. Over the last 8 days we have treated him twice with a combination of Paracleanse, Maracyn, and Ich-X. we have offered him medicated (Focus, Garlic Guard, Paracleanse) frozen foods (Krill, bloodworms, clam on the half shell) but he will not eat frozen foods at all. We have offered him maybe 10-12 live ghost shrimp over the 8 days and he has eaten maybe 4-5 of the shrimp. so his appetite has been of concern to us.
We performed a 50% water change last night. This morning we found him just sitting on the bottom respirating heavily, so we added two more airstones to the water but he doesnt look good does anyone have any more suggestions of things we can try to save this fish?

 
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Welcome to Reef2Reef!

Sorry - your video is too dark for me to make anything out really. I've never used Paracleanse, but I looked into it, and it has the same ingredients as APA General Cure - metronidazole and praziquantel, at the same dose.

Working in the dark here (grin), I would say that if the fish does have ich, you need to get that taken care of right away. None of the meds you've used so far are primary treatments for marine ich. Your two best options would be hyposalinity or copper. I know a lot of people shy away from copper with porcupines, but that is based on old issues with ionic copper. I have a porcupine puffer in full Coppersafe right now and it is fine. With a good test kit, you would be able to treat it with either Coppersafe or Copper Power. That said, once ich has a head start like in this case, treatments don't always work as well as they would when caught early on.


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Welcome to Reef2Reef!

Sorry - your video is too dark for me to make anything out really. I've never used Paracleanse, but I looked into it, and it has the same ingredients as APA General Cure - metronidazole and praziquantel, at the same dose.

Working in the dark here (grin), I would say that if the fish does have ich, you need to get that taken care of right away. None of the meds you've used so far are primary treatments for marine ich. Your two best options would be hyposalinity or copper. I know a lot of people shy away from copper with porcupines, but that is based on old issues with ionic copper. I have a porcupine puffer in full Coppersafe right now and it is fine. With a good test kit, you would be able to treat it with either Coppersafe or Copper Power. That said, once ich has a head start like in this case, treatments don't always work as well as they would when caught early on.


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Thank you for your response,

Ich-x claims to treat marine ich and he has no visible ich after two treatments, the tank is now free of medication. We have Cupramine on hand do you think we should try that now? or is it too late?
 

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Thank you for your response,

Ich-x claims to treat marine ich and he has no visible ich after two treatments, the tank is now free of medication. We have Cupramine on hand do you think we should try that now? or is it too late?

I know that Ich-x is sold as a marine fish medication, but the ingredients are really better suited for freshwater fish. If you are not seeing any ich spots, then perhaps wait a bit, but be prepared to dose with copper if they return.

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I know that Ich-x is sold as a marine fish medication, but the ingredients are really better suited for freshwater fish. If you are not seeing any ich spots, then perhaps wait a bit, but be prepared to dose with copper if they return.

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I was not aware that Ich-X isnt good for Marine Ich, thanks for that info.

He is still alive today, he is still sitting on bottom respirating but he is respirating much slower than yesterday, my wife says she observed his mucuous coming off his body a bit
 
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