something is going on with his mouth?

[Daveb300]

My convict tang was eating like a pig and very active until today and now he is lethargic and wont eat. his mouth looks puffy. I need to know how to treat? But I'm not sure what it is. the pictures are not great but he is hiding.

 

[Daveb300]

Other fish in QT with him are a Orange shoulder tang, flame angel, small hippo tang and royal gramma and two clowns. Ammonia, nitrite and nitrate is zero. Ph 8.1 and specific gravity is 1.022

 

[Screwgunner]

I got a nasso and had him for 10 days 8 days he ate good 9th he hid didn't eat 10 lying on the bottom. DOA

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Other fish in QT with him are a Orange shoulder tang, flame angel, small hippo tang and royal gramma and two clowns. Ammonia, nitrite and nitrate is zero. Ph 8.1 and specific gravity is 1.022

What have you treated the QT with so far?
Is the convict breathing fast/hard?
How long have you had it?

Jay

 

[Daveb300]

What have you treated the QT with so far?
Is the convict breathing fast/hard?
How long have you had it?

Jay

He isn't breathing hard just being lethargic and not eating. I haven't treated with anything yet.

 

[Daveb300]

What have you treated the QT with so far?
Is the convict breathing fast/hard?
How long have you had it?

Jay

I introduced the convict tang and orange shoulder tang to the QT tank on Wednesday.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

O.K., with the lack of rapid breathing, I would suspect that the fish has gotten startled in the new tank and run into the tank side, injuring its mouth. There really is no treatment for an injury, other than time. It could develop a secondary bacterial infection I suppose, but for now it just looks swollen.

Holding a group of new fish in a QT with no treatment is risky. There are likely disease issues brewing, and holding fish in a QT is stressful, and can cause diseases to start getting serious. I never hold a fish in QT longer than 72 hours before starting preventative treatments. Here is a link to my current quarantine protocol:

Current Quarantine Protocol

2023 Quarantine Procedures Jay Hemdal David Scarborough Protozoans (Cryptocaryon/ich, Amyloodinium/velvet) and Metazoan trematodes/flukes are by far the most common parasites found on newly acquired fish. A carefully managed quarantine process can effectively eliminate these parasites before...

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Jay

 

[FragFarm]

I think he has banged into the glass probably the other fish chased him and he banged into it.

 

[Daveb300]

O.K., with the lack of rapid breathing, I would suspect that the fish has gotten startled in the new tank and run into the tank side, injuring its mouth. There really is no treatment for an injury, other than time. It could develop a secondary bacterial infection I suppose, but for now it just looks swollen.

Holding a group of new fish in a QT with no treatment is risky. There are likely disease issues brewing, and holding fish in a QT is stressful, and can cause diseases to start getting serious. I never hold a fish in QT longer than 72 hours before starting preventative treatments. Here is a link to my current quarantine protocol:

Current Quarantine Protocol

2023 Quarantine Procedures Jay Hemdal David Scarborough Protozoans (Cryptocaryon/ich, Amyloodinium/velvet) and Metazoan trematodes/flukes are by far the most common parasites found on newly acquired fish. A carefully managed quarantine process can effectively eliminate these parasites before...

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Jay

Thank you. The QT tank is a 55 gallon with a sump with skimmer and filter sock. I suspect he got into it with the orange shoulder. I ordered a tank divider but it wont be here until Thursday. While I was waiting for a response to my post I went ahead and started prazipro. Not sure if this was the right move or not.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Thank you. The QT tank is a 55 gallon with a sump with skimmer and filter sock. I suspect he got into it with the orange shoulder. I ordered a tank divider but it wont be here until Thursday. While I was waiting for a response to my post I went ahead and started prazipro. Not sure if this was the right move or not.

It won't hurt, and the fish may have flukes, just the lip thing isn't a symptom of flukes. Be sure to continue to run your skimmer for aeration but don't collect any skimmmate during a prazi treatment.

Jay

 

[Daveb300]

O.K., with the lack of rapid breathing, I would suspect that the fish has gotten startled in the new tank and run into the tank side, injuring its mouth. There really is no treatment for an injury, other than time. It could develop a secondary bacterial infection I suppose, but for now it just looks swollen.

Holding a group of new fish in a QT with no treatment is risky. There are likely disease issues brewing, and holding fish in a QT is stressful, and can cause diseases to start getting serious. I never hold a fish in QT longer than 72 hours before starting preventative treatments. Here is a link to my current quarantine protocol:

Current Quarantine Protocol

2023 Quarantine Procedures Jay Hemdal David Scarborough Protozoans (Cryptocaryon/ich, Amyloodinium/velvet) and Metazoan trematodes/flukes are by far the most common parasites found on newly acquired fish. A carefully managed quarantine process can effectively eliminate these parasites before...

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Jay

I have to keep these fish healthy until my display is ready. I am still in the process of setting it up. I can always pick up a 40 breeder if I need to set up another QT tank to separate some of these fish to give them even more room.

 

[Daveb300]

It won't hurt, and the fish may have flukes, just the lip thing isn't a symptom of flukes. Be sure to continue to run your skimmer for aeration but don't collect any skimmmate during a prazi treatment.

Jay

Skimmer is running without the cup along with a HOB filter with bio media in it. Everyone was eating yesterday after the treatment except the convict.

 

[Daveb300]

O.K., with the lack of rapid breathing, I would suspect that the fish has gotten startled in the new tank and run into the tank side, injuring its mouth. There really is no treatment for an injury, other than time. It could develop a secondary bacterial infection I suppose, but for now it just looks swollen.

Holding a group of new fish in a QT with no treatment is risky. There are likely disease issues brewing, and holding fish in a QT is stressful, and can cause diseases to start getting serious. I never hold a fish in QT longer than 72 hours before starting preventative treatments. Here is a link to my current quarantine protocol:

Current Quarantine Protocol

2023 Quarantine Procedures Jay Hemdal David Scarborough Protozoans (Cryptocaryon/ich, Amyloodinium/velvet) and Metazoan trematodes/flukes are by far the most common parasites found on newly acquired fish. A carefully managed quarantine process can effectively eliminate these parasites before...

www.reef2reef.com

Jay

I just checked this morning when the lights came on and there seems to be a change. His mouth looks worse and he is breathing heavily and coming to the top of the tank

 

[Daveb300]

Looks worse

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Looks worse

That does look worse, and the new symptoms are an issue. Is the orange shoulder still looking ok?

For this fish, I can’t tell you what direction to go; if the rapid breathing is caused by a secondary bacterial infection, then antibiotics would be the way to go. However if the rapid breathing isn’t related to the mouth injury, there could be a protozoan infection going on at the same time as the mouth injury.
Jay

 

[Daveb300]

That does look worse, and the new symptoms are an issue. Is the orange shoulder still looking ok?

For this fish, I can’t tell you what direction to go; if the rapid breathing is caused by a secondary bacterial infection, then antibiotics would be the way to go. However if the rapid breathing isn’t related to the mouth injury, there could be a protozoan infection going on at the same time as the mouth injury.
Jay

Everyone else in the tank is eating and acting normal. I'm at a loss as what to do.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Everyone else in the tank is eating and acting normal. I'm at a loss as what to do.

Same here - I don’t have a definitive direction for you to go and I don’t like to guess at things. If all of the other fish are ok, it is less likely to be a protozoan gill disease, so antibiotics in a treatment tank would be an option.
Jay

 

[Daveb300]

Same here - I don’t have a definitive direction for you to go and I don’t like to guess at things. If all of the other fish are ok, it is less likely to be a protozoan gill disease, so antibiotics in a treatment tank would be an option.
Jay

Sadly he didn't make it. He died this afternoon. Thanks for the help